Catholic And English!

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338933209' post='2441435']
With your logic I could've completely ignored every bit of advice I ever got from everybody on here. I could've logged it into my "Advice I got from overreacting adults" journal, because in my mind everyone was overreacting at the time.

Call me crazy, but being tempted to pray a woman dies just seems un-Catholic on every conceivable level to me.
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Well, she IS old. Maybe she's praying she has a peaceful death.

I've been refraining from getting in the middle of this because, as entertaining as it's been, frankly I don't give a flip one way or the other. But, in maximillion's defense, considering she's a UK resident I'd say her opinions on the queen et al carry more weight than yours.

[beatitude]

I don't think the monarchy is immune from criticism. That's an unreasonable expectation. I didn't celebrate the jubilee, although I am not a republican - I'm indifferent one way or the other. But some of the posts in this thread go beyond critical. Arguing that the money for the jubilee could have been better spent elsewhere? Legitimate. Nasty insinuations about Camilla's physical appearance? Wishing Elizabeth dead? That's malicious and beyond unkind, and it undermines the legitimacy of the previous point - who can talk about social justice honestly when they follow it up with a wish for someone's death? Our ideals - including our political ideals - are supposed to be rooted and grounded in love.

I have a Quaker friend who once met the Queen. She wouldn't curtsy and she wouldn't address the Queen as 'Your Majesty', because Quakers don't believe in having a hierarchy like that. She addressed her gently as 'Elizabeth', and held out her hand for the Queen to shake. That made her position clear enough - but she did it with warmth and kindness, because accepting the Queen as her equal did not mean being all, "Huh, you think you're so great, but really you're just a parasite!" It meant remembering that they were both God's children - and acting that way.

Using the Queen's past sins can't justify the unkindness either. Unless you are blessed with telepathy, you don't know how the Queen feels about Diana's death; and unless you want other people pointing their fingers at [i]your[/i] past sins as justification for their spite towards you now, you are in no position to do that to her. In the eyes of God, all our morals 'leave a lot to be desired'. No exceptions.

[Winchester]

I actually rather like some of the royals. As I said, as figureheads go, they're relatively cheap.

[Winchester]

[quote name='beatitude' timestamp='1338933435' post='2441441']


I have a Quaker friend who once met the Queen. She wouldn't curtsy and she wouldn't address the Queen as 'Your Majesty', because Quakers don't believe in having a hierarchy like that. She addressed her gently as 'Elizabeth', and held out her hand for the Queen to shake. That made her position clear enough - but she did it with warmth and kindness, because accepting the Queen as her equal did not mean being all, "Huh, you think you're so great, but really you're just a parasite!" It meant remembering that they were both God's children - and acting that way.

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That's amesome. I'd lay money on the Queen reacting well.

Tell me, would I have lost money?

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1338933361' post='2441438']
Well, she IS old. Maybe he's praying she has a peaceful death.

I've been refraining from getting in the middle of this because, as entertaining as it's been, frankly I don't give a flip one way or the other. But, in maximillion's defense, considering she's a UK resident I'd say her opinions on the queen et al carry more weight than yours.
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I never said the Queen was a Saint. I never said the Queen has done one good thing in her entire life. I did say, however, that wanting her to die may be going just a bit too far and he should work on that.

Good day.

[Winchester]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338933676' post='2441445']
I never said the Queen was a Saint. I never said the Queen has done one good thing in her entire life. I did say, however, that wanting her to die may be going just a bit too far and he should work on that.

Good day.
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[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338933676' post='2441445']
I never said the Queen was a Saint. I never said the Queen has done one good thing in her entire life. I did say, however, that wanting her to die may be going just a bit too far and he should work on that.

Good day.
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My reading comprehension is very good. I got your point the first 4 times you posted it. My point was, considering where she lives, she probably has very legitimate reasons for her negative feelings. She voiced them very strongly. We've all done that at some point.

[Winchester]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1338934148' post='2441453']
My reading comprehension is very good. I got your point the first 4 times you posted it. My point was, considering where he lives, he probably has very legitimate reasons for his negative feelings. He voiced them very strongly. We've all done that at some point.
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I've never voiced his opinions.

[beatitude]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1338933536' post='2441444']
That's amesome. I'd lay money on the Queen reacting well.

Tell me, would I have lost money?
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She smiled and shook hands. Perhaps it was quite a relief to her to be treated like a normal person for once. Who knows.

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1338934148' post='2441453']
My reading comprehension is very good. I got your point the first 4 times you posted it. My point was, considering where she lives, she probably has very legitimate reasons for her negative feelings. She voiced them very strongly. We've all done that at some point.
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I'm from the same country as Maximilion and I don't see any legitimate reason for some of the comments that have been made. You can build a strong rational case against the monarchy without resorting to unkindness or unfair judgments.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='beatitude' timestamp='1338934665' post='2441459']
She smiled and shook hands. Perhaps it was quite a relief to her to be treated like a normal person for once. Who knows.



I'm from the same country as Maximilion and I don't see any legitimate reason for some of the comments that have been made. You can build a strong rational case against the monarchy without resorting to unkindness or unfair judgments.
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I said "feelings" not "comments."

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1338929994' post='2441387']I get so annoyed when people who are completely ignorant of what they are talking about oppose the monarchy. If you don't know what you're talking about, then you have no right to be giving an opinion. Not to mention a huge amount of what people spout is sheer nonsense that has not one grain of truth in it.

I agree with bernadette that some people are failing in Christian charity here.
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Not sure if that was directed at me, because I was posting an honest question.

[Winchester]

[quote name='beatitude' timestamp='1338934665' post='2441459']

I'm from the same country as Maximilion and I don't see any legitimate reason for some of the comments that have been made. You can build a strong rational case against the monarchy without resorting to unkindness or unfair judgments.
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Or you can have fun.

[EmilyAnn]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' timestamp='1338934797' post='2441461']
Not sure if that was directed at me, because I was posting an honest question.
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It was not directed at anyone here, just an experience I have often had with people I know.

[Winchester]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1338935029' post='2441463']
It was not directed at anyone here, just an experience I have often had with people I know.
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And you just happened to share it in this thread because its topic is praise of someone for holding a certain position for longer than anyone else.

Don't be coy.

[beatitude]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1338934759' post='2441460']
I said "feelings" not "comments."
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The royal guards haven't been charging down Pall Mall lately bayoneting babies. We don't live in an absolute monarchy where the Queen's word is law. While I thought that the cost of the jubilee was crass and unjustifiable at a time when so many people are out of work, I also know that it is not the monarchy that is responsible for poverty and unemployment in Britain - I apportion more blame to actual decision-makers. I don't see any legitimate reason why anybody would have so much ill will towards the queen as a person, irrespective of their stance on the monarchy. If we lived in some banana republic where thousands died at the ruler's whim, it would be a different story, but we don't. Your post made it sound as though Britons are undergoing deeply traumatising experiences at the hands of the monarchy and therefore we can be given a pass if we decide to express our views without any regard for basic principles of kindness.