PhuturePriest Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338852774' post='2440864'] Pretty beaver dam meaningful if you're trying to get a job. I personally have no doubt that someone with a degree from Harvard has a significant advantage over me, all other things being equal, in getting a job, grant, whatever. Obviously all other factors are not equal and my raw sexual charisma would win the day, but for somebody with an equivalent degree this would be a major obstacle. [/quote] There's my question: Why? You could in fact be smarter and have way more experience than someone that had "honors" from Harvard. I just think we focus a little too much on a piece of paper and not as much on the overall capabilities and experience of the person. Plus, you have that sexual charisma of yours. Edited June 4, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338852829' post='2440865'] Well, unfortunately for me, if I major I will major in theology, meaning I'll have to go to a Catholic school, which costs $32,000 on average, as far as I have seen, and theologians make less money than Franciscans. This is all stupid because I can study in Rome for $10,000 a year. That doesn't include flights, but it's definitely still better economically. [/quote] Why? Why not go to a good public school and study philosophy or religious studies and then go a theology graduate degree? I mean you're not going to work as a theologian with an undergraduate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1338832420' post='2440650'] I agree with fides. Some how they will rationalize charging more. [/quote] Possible if we permit them to restrict entry into the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338853001' post='2440870'] Why? Why not go to a good public school and study philosophy or religious studies and then go a theology graduate degree? I mean you're not going to work as a theologian with an undergraduate. [/quote] Because that can be dangerous and I'm not going to take chances with secular teachers when it comes to matters of Religious study and philosophy. I believe it was the great Father Benedict Groeschel who said "If you see a course on theology in your secular college, don't go to it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338852992' post='2440869'] There's my question: Why? [/QUOTE] Because people who go to Harvard[b] tend [/b]to be more intelligent and/or better students. That's how they got into Harvard. [QUOTE]You could in fact be smarter and have way more experience than someone that had "honors" from Harvard. I just think we focus a little too much on a piece of paper and not as much on the overall capabilities and experience of the person. [/quote] Sure. There are people out there who dropped out of middle school who are more intelligent than Harvard grads. Most of my family my family never went to college. But going to Harvard and graduating demonstrates, at least theoretically, strong work ethic and intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338853234' post='2440879'] Because that can be dangerous and I'm not going to take chances with secular teachers when it comes to matters of Religious study and philosophy. I believe it was the great Father Benedict Groeschel who said "If you see a course on theology in your secular college, don't go to it!" [/quote] It's been a while but was this the same Benedict Groschel who went to Columbia? I mean, if you can;t get through undergrad without loosing your faith then you probably shouldn't be a Priest. Just something to consider. Edited June 4, 2012 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) I didn't apply to Harvard but I have no doubt that I wouldn't have gotten in. Is everybody at Harvard smarter than I am? Probably not. Am I smarter than everybody who never went to college? Absolutely not. But everybody there at least had a more impressive resume. Is that fair? Probably not. A lot of them had socio-economic factors in their favor (just like I did for a lot of the kids at my High School who never graduated) but, fair or not, they were more competitive students. That's going to help them a lot. Edited June 4, 2012 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338853323' post='2440882'] It's been a while but was this the same Benedict Groschel who went to Columbia? I mean, if you can;t get through undergrad without loosing your faith then you probably shouldn't be a Priest. Just something to consider. [/quote] I don't know. He is pretty old and hasn't been able to move around very well after he was hit by a car some years ago, so if this was recent it probably wasn't him. He is one of the men that founded the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, if that helps. I'm not saying it will make me lose my faith. It may give me a distorted view, though, and I would rather avoid that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338853694' post='2440890'] I don't know. He is pretty old and hasn't been able to move around very well after he was hit by a car some years ago, so if this was recent it probably wasn't him. He is one of the men that founded the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, if that helps. I'm not saying it will make me lose my faith. It may give me a distorted view, though, and I would rather avoid that. [/quote] I know who he is and I read his biography years ago when I was interested in joining the order. And it looks like my recollection was right (ish) [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Groeschel"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Groeschel[/url] He went to a secular school for undergrad and then Columbia for his Phd Looks like he has a 'fine for me but not for thee' attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338853852' post='2440895'] I know who he is and I read his biography years ago when I was interested in joining the order. And it looks like my recollection was right (ish) [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Groeschel"]http://en.wikipedia....edict_Groeschel[/url] He went to a secular school for undergrad and then Columbia for his Phd Looks like he has a 'fine for me but not for thee' attitude. [/quote] He studied psychology. Completely different from philosophy and theology. I would like to thank you, though. I'm getting near my 1500 post mark. Edited June 4, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) If you find a secular school that has a good campus ministry or Newman Center, you won't lose your faith. Even if you study philosophy. Or, ya know, you could study history or english. Half my peers in my theology masters program have history and/or english undergrad degrees. Edit: Come to think of it, out of the dozen of us I'm actually the only one in my year who did theology for undergrad. Edited June 5, 2012 by Basilisa Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338854081' post='2440901'] He studied psychology. Completely different from philosophy and theology. I would like to thank you, though. I'm getting near my 1500 post mark. [/quote] Not really. I mean they were obviously different fields but, particularly given the state of the field at the time, he would have studied it from an adamantly functionalist and materialistic standpoint, which is deeply contrary to the Catholic faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338854246' post='2440906'] Not really. I mean they were obviously different fields but, particularly given the state of the field at the time, he would have studied it from an adamantly functionalist and materialistic standpoint, which is deeply contrary to the Catholic faith. [/quote] ... Do what now? He went to study psychology and he is now teaching pastoral psychology at a Seminary. I have no clue if what you just said was sarcastic or if you were serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I have a friend who just graduated from Harvard. She's about 100k+ in debt and has one degree. I'm about 10k in debt and two years into my third and final degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338854354' post='2440909'] ... Do what now? He went to study psychology and he is now teaching pastoral psychology at a Seminary. I have no clue if what you just said was sarcastic or if you were serious. [/quote] No, seriously. Cognitive science has been dogmatically materialistic and functionalist for some time now. If he studied psychology from a secular school he would have been learning his subject from a position just as dogmatically opposed to a central element of Catholic teaching as a philosophy or religious studies student as the same secular school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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