Attn: Ron Paul Supporters

[Aloysius]

yes, Ron Paul's pro-life plan is expressed best in two pieces of legislation that he has proposed while in congress: the We the People act that bans Federal courts from overturning state bans on abortion, and the Sanctity of Life Act that defines life as beginning at conception. The two-pronged plan would be to first allow the states to decide the abortion issue for themselves, and then to federally define life as beginning at conception as part of a push to get states to illegalize. it's a plan that focuses largely on states' rights ultimately, the same way states are the ones that generally make and enforce their own laws against any murder, and I think it's the most practical blueprint for a real pro-life direction for this country.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1338593189' post='2439705']
Ardill approves. Do I need paypal for this?
[/quote]LOL, I think you can also be a paypal "guest" without signing up for a paypal account

[Anomaly]

I will buy you dinner and a beer if you promise to not talk about religion. Politics are okay.

[Winchester]

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I'm not a whizz with politics but what I'm hopeful for is Romney (with a conservative VP) beating Obama and then getting an actual conservative in the WH after his term.
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[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1338593437' post='2439709']I think it's the most practical blueprint for a real pro-life direction for this country.
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Yep. One of the very few serious plans to outlaw abortion.

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[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1338591239' post='2439684']
As some of you may know, I was elected as a delegate to the Republican National Convention, and I intend to vote for Ron Paul and support his influence on the platform. There is a high cost involved in attending the convention, I am currently accepting donations to help defray that cost:

[url="http://delegatepa18.blogspot.com/"]http://delegatepa18.blogspot.com/[/url]

So if you want to help a phatmasser help Ron Paul, you can chip-in whatever small amount you can spare, every little bit helps.

And I know, it is a long shot to hope for a brokered convention, but it's the only shot we've got (and the media reports about TX clinching it for Romney have actually ignored many of Paul's delegate takeovers in other states), especially if you, like I, do not believe one iota of Romney's flip flop to be supposedly "pro-life". Paul is the only true pro-lifer left standing.
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Since when are you a Ron Paul supporter?

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338595741' post='2439727']


Since when are you a Ron Paul supporter?
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[PhuturePriest]

Well, no matter who is the party pick, we can't vote for Gary Johnson. Not only is that a proverbial bullet to the head in terms of winning the election, but he wants to make abortion illegal after you can visibly see that it is a baby, so you can have an abortion before that. It would stop millions of abortions, but one abortion under his regime is simply one too many. If Ron Paul is truly pro-life and vows to make it illegal, I'll support him. But I want a true pro-life candidate, not someone that claims he is pro-life but doesn't do anything to make it illegal.

Edited because I said I would vote for him and then later remembered I can't vote for anyone anyway.

Edited June 2, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[Aloysius]

since 2008, actually

ultimately I'm an independent thinker about these things, I'm not actually a full fledged unfettered free market capitalist per se, you won't find me at an aynn rand book club, but I choose this side because I think it's the best direction for our country at present, and it's largely right.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338596342' post='2439732']
Well, no matter who is the party pick, we can't vote for Gary Johnson. Not only is that a proverbial bullet to the head in terms of winning the election, but he wants to make abortion illegal after you can visibly see that it is a baby, so you can have an abortion before that. It would stop millions of abortions, but one abortion under his regime is simply one too many. If Ron Paul is truly pro-life and vows to make it illegal, I'll vote for him. But I want a true pro-life candidate, not someone that claims he is pro-life but doesn't do anything to make it illegal.
[/quote]how about someone who claims he's pro-life when that will get him elected, but has previously said abortion is a woman's right? ie Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney is actually one of the most consistent men in the race. Mitt Romney has consistently supported every position that advances the political carreer of Mitt Romney.

as far as Gary Johnson goes, I know he's the Libertarian Party's ticket but I've never looked too in depth into him or his positions on pro-life issues. but as far as you not wanted to support pro-life in name only folk, well, in my opinion that covers a large majority of the Republican establishment candidates.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1338596406' post='2439733']
since 2008, actually

ultimately I'm an independent thinker about these things, I'm not actually a full fledged unfettered free market capitalist per se, you won't find me at an aynn rand book club, but I choose this side because I think it's the best direction for our country at present, and it's largely right.
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Amen, brother.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1338596406' post='2439733']
since 2008, actually

ultimately I'm an independent thinker about these things, I'm not actually a full fledged unfettered free market capitalist per se, you won't find me at an aynn rand book club, but I choose this side because I think it's the best direction for our country at present, and it's largely right.
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Ayn Rand did not favor fully free markets.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1338596645' post='2439735']
how about someone who claims he's pro-life when that will get him elected, but has previously said abortion is a woman's right? ie Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney is actually one of the most consistent men in the race. Mitt Romney has consistently supported every position that advances the political carreer of Mitt Romney.

as far as Gary Johnson goes, I know he's the Libertarian Party's ticket but I've never looked too in depth into him or his positions on pro-life issues. but as far as you not wanted to support pro-life in name only folk, well, in my opinion that covers a large majority of the Republican establishment candidates.
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I'm not saying all or even most Republicans are true pro-lifers, and I really respect you, by the way. I'm simply saying if I'm going to throw my support behind a guy I want him to match my beliefs as closely as possible, and I want to believe with concrete evidence he has hope in actually winning. Unfortunately Romney is a bit of a fish, what with his flip flopping and all that, and I'm not denying that. And do I think he will make abortion illegal? Honestly, that's going to be the most hard-fought battle since the battle of Waterloo, and it will be very difficult to even get half of what we want. But I'm not fully convinced Ron Paul is going to try to make abortion illegal and I'm not fully convinced he has the support, either. I do think, however, he at least tries to do what he says he'll do and he has a pretty great record.

[PhuturePriest]

I think one of the worst things during this election is that all everyone cares about is the economy and what this guy did during this period and what that guy did during that period. Honestly, I don't care if I have to read books for entertainment and half the day is guided by candlelight so long as lives and souls no longer have to be lost. The economy is important, but I do not think at all that it is the most important issue, and the fact almost the entire population thinks it is really says something about our horrible society. People won't be able to eat lobster when they want to? Oh, boo hoo. What about the fifty million lives lost in America alone that never had the chance to even know what a lobster is?

Edited June 2, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1338596844' post='2439739']
Ayn Rand did not favor fully free markets.
[/quote]indeed, from a certain perspective. I was just listing the ways I'm not necessarily a cliche Ron Paulite, though everything about cliche Ron Paulites I am absolutely sympathetic to. But I go to GK Chesteron book clubs instead of Ayn Rand book clubs , and don't describe myself as favoring unfettered free markets.

I absolutely support what I call Ron Paul's "Liberty Agenda", of course. and also think he's got the best realistic pro-life plan, which I'd like to see the Republican Party adopt as a practical way forward.