Vatileaks

[dUSt]

So, what's the big deal about this "vatileaks" scandal? I've read a lot about it, but haven't seen anything that actually makes it so scandalous.

[HisChildForever]

I was thinking the same earlier after I read a news article on it. From what I gather, there are some confidential documents that the Pope's butler stole which reveal corruption among members of the hierarchy. The butler said he would cooperate with investigators, so I'm not sure if that means the information in the documents will be brought into the open or what.

[Lisa]

Supposedly, all the documents point towards a "bitter power struggle," especially over Vatican's Secretary of State, Tarcisio Bertone. There's evidently also a conspiracy to "conquer the conclave" and make someone the next pope.
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/leaks-reveal-bitter-vatican-power-struggle-031953190.html"]http://news.yahoo.co...-031953190.html[/url]

Edited May 29, 2012 by Lisa

[qfnol31]

Search for stuff on Archbishop Vigano and you might run into some juicer bits.

[HisChildForever]

From the link Lisa posted,

[quote][color=#000000][font=Georgia, Times,]"A group of cardinals has begun to act on a very ambitious aim: to take the secretary of state, and then, conquer the conclave (the assembly which elects a new pope) with a chosen pope among them," said [/font][/color][color=#366388][font=Georgia, Times,]La Repubblica n[/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Georgia, Times,]ewspaper.[/quote][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=Georgia, Times,]I guess that sums it up.[/font][/color]

[dUSt]

Oh, so stuff that's been happening in the church for the past 2000 years. Wow, what amazing news.

[kujo]

Anybody ever heard of the Borgia pope? This "leak" ain't a drop in the bucket compared to THAT bout of ecclesiastical corruption.

[qfnol31]

Borgia Popes, Medici Popes......

Edited May 29, 2012 by qfnol31

[Papist]

Didn't someone leak that the Pope was going to approve the SSPX statement(Doctrinal Preamble?) to the CDF. The SSPX wanted the Pope to review their statement to the CDF before they presented it. Pope did and personally approved. That got leaked. Where's Aloysius when you need him.

[Ash Wednesday]

Basically a bunch of Italians aren't getting along in the Vatican. What else is new?

[4588686]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1338316224' post='2437233']
So, what's the big deal about this "vatileaks" scandal? I've read a lot about it, but haven't seen anything that actually makes it so scandalous.
[/quote]

From what I understand it looks like there is some corruption in Vatican finances.

Edited May 29, 2012 by Hasan

[4588686]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1338317083' post='2437245']
Oh, so stuff that's been happening in the church for the past 2000 years. Wow, what amazing news.
[/quote]

I guess it's news for the Catholics, and general population, who are still under the impression that the Church was supposed to be some sort of moral guide. I mean I understand that the Church is composed of sinful men yada yada yada but it seems like that recognition that some sin will exist is leading to a general apathy about the corruption that currently exists in the Church.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338325903' post='2437353']
I guess it's news for the Catholics, and general population, who are still under the impression that the Church was supposed to be some sort of moral guide. I mean I understand that the Church is composed of sinful men yada yada yada but it seems like that recognition that some sin will exist is leading to a general apathy about the corruption that currently exists in the Church.
[/quote]I think the confusion is there's a difference between being a Moral [i]Example [/i]and being a Moral 'Guide'.

[4588686]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1338326220' post='2437360']
I think the confusion is there's a difference between being a Moral [i]Example [/i]and being a Moral 'Guide'.
[/quote]

I'm not saying that it's right. But I just see a lot of posts here about how Catholics today don't take Catholicism seriously or mass attendance is in decline or whatever. It's like, well no poo. I mean if there is corruption in the hierarchy, serious corruption and the best Catholics around have taken a fatalistic attitude about that corruption then why would people on the periphery stick around. I just mean that all this talk about all the external influences that draw Catholics away, maybe there should be more attention payed to what sort of messages are being sent to the exterior from the heart and soul of the Church.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1338326541' post='2437366']
I'm not saying that it's right. But I just see a lot of posts here about how Catholics today don't take Catholicism seriously or mass attendance is in decline or whatever. It's like, well no poo. I mean if there is corruption in the hierarchy, serious corruption and the best Catholics around have taken a fatalistic attitude about that corruption then why would people on the periphery stick around. I just mean that all this talk about all the external influences that draw Catholics away, maybe there should be more attention payed to what sort of messages are being sent to the exterior from the heart and soul of the Church.
[/quote]No kidding. Luther's originally was abut Doctrinal reforms, not Dogmatic reforms, and look what happened. If the Emperor had just decided to put on some pantaloons, he'd still be the Emperor.