How Does One Remain Fully Catholic While Watching T.v? .

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All in the Family [/quote]

I'm not saying that the show was all together evil, but I wouldn't call it an innocent one. The main character (Archie) was racist, anti-semitic, and anti-Catholic. (Edith started learning about the Catholic faith which upset Archie and he said that they weren't Christian.) I also recall an episode that advocated life-long cohabitation instead of marriage which was "just a piece of paper" as stated by Gloria.

Edited May 24, 2012 by tinytherese

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This isn't about television but viewing films, however, I see it as relevent to the same subject.

[b] What Are the Decent Films?[/b]

[b] Entertainment, Art, and Culture in Church Teaching[/b]

Written for [url="http://www.catholic.com/magazines/thisrock.asp"][i]This Rock[/i][/url] magazine
[b] By Steven D. Greydanus[/b]
[indent]"Christians are called to be separate from the world."
"You can’t compromise with sin."
"There are much better ways to spend one’s time."
"You wouldn’t eat something that had a bit of arsenic mixed in it, would you?"[/indent]
As a Catholic film critic, I hear remarks like this from time to time put forward in defense of the view that Christians should avoid (a) movies in general, (b) movies made after 1960, (c) all but the most innocuous family fare, (d) all movies except those that have an uplifting moral or spiritual message, and so on.
Precisely what constitutes unacceptable "worldliness" or "compromise" differs from one objector to another. For one, a single profane or even merely coarse expression may be enough to condemn an entire movie, however uplifting or wholesome it might be on balance. Others draw the line at attire that falls short of their standards of modesty, to say nothing of actual nudity. Still others, displaying almost religious faith in the authority of the MPAA, seem to consider an "R" rating a virtually infallible form of reverse imprimatur (though recently with a unique exception clause for [i]one[/i] R-rated movie, Mel Gibson’s [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/passionofthechrist.html"][i]The Passion of the Christ[/i][/url]).
This rigorous approach to film appears to be more prevalent among non-Catholic Christians than among Catholics. A number of Protestants working in the film industry have confided to me that in their experience Catholics tend to "get" film better than Christians of other stripes. I also know Protestant film writers who face frequent assaults for daring even to devote time and attention to Hollywood that could be better spent on more edifying subjects.
Still, it’s not hard to find this kind of rigorist approach among Catholics, too. One also meets Catholics who admit, perhaps sheepishly, to enjoying the very films condemned by their more scrupulous neighbors, and are worried if they are as good Catholics as they ought to be.
[b] A more nuanced view[/b]

As with all errors, there are elements of truth in the rigorist approach to film. Movies [i]can[/i] — and too often do — contain morally objectionable content, and this can have a harmful influence on individuals and on society. The Second Vatican Council decree [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19631204_inter-mirifica_en.html"][i]Inter Mirifica[/i][/url], "Decree on the Media of Social Communications," warns men of the dangers of employing media like film "contrary to the plan of the Creator and to their own loss" (IM 1).
[i]Inter Mirifica[/i] goes on to affirm "the absolute primacy of the objective moral order," meaning that the moral order "surpasses and fittingly coordinates all other spheres of human affairs — the arts not excepted — even though they be endowed with notable dignity" (IM 6). The decree also exhorts men to avoid presentations that "may be a cause or occasion of spiritual harm to themselves, or that can lead others into danger through base example, or that hinder desirable presentations and promote those that are evil" (IM 9).
At the same time, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] outlines principles of a Catholic approach to film and other media that is much more positive and nuanced than the rigorist view. Where the rigorist view often regards entertainment as well as art and culture as indifferent at best if not frivolous, or even as a distraction or temptation, the Vatican II decree [i]affirms entertainment, culture and art as positive goods[/i]. These are not the [i]only[/i] goods that the media can and should serve, but they remain good in themselves, not merely as a means to some other end.
Specifically, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] states that the media, "if properly utilized, can be of great service to mankind, since they greatly contribute to men’s entertainment and instruction as well as to the spread and support of the Kingdom of God" (IM 1), and that young people especially "need a press and entertainment that offer them decent amusement and cultural uplift" (IM 11). Later, it declares,[indent]The production and showing of films that have value as decent entertainment, humane culture or art, especially when they are designed for young people, ought to be encouraged and assured by every effective means. This can be done particularly by supporting and joining in projects and enterprises for the production and distribution of decent films, by encouraging worthwhile films through critical approval and awards, by patronizing or jointly sponsoring theaters operated by Catholic and responsible managers. (IM 14)[/indent]
Certainly we must not overlook the qualifiers that entertainment and culture must be "decent" and "humane," nor the other goods (i.e., "instruction" and even "the spread and support of the Kingdom of God") that the media can and should serve.
The decree does [i]not[/i] state, however, that entertainment is of value [i]only[/i] as a tool for instruction or for spreading and supporting the Kingdom of God. Nor does it state only that people need only be [i]shielded[/i] from [i]indecent[/i] entertainment and culture, or that decent entertainment and culture are needed only in order to combat indecent entertainment and culture. Rather, it declares entertainment and culture in themselves to be things that people "need" — part of a "great service to mankind."
Unfortunately, many Christians and even some Catholics are suspicious of entertainment for its own sake, and even of art and culture. "There are better ways to spend one’s time" is a common refrain for those who take this view. Why watch a movie when one could be praying the rosary, reading scripture or the lives of the saints, volunteering at church or in a soup kitchen?
Obviously, prayer, devotional reading, and service are very necessary and worthwhile acts, and certainly God doesn’t want us spending all our free time seeking entertainment and amusement. But neither does he require or wish all Christians to spend all their spare time in the pursuit of expressly religious and charitable works. Play, recreation, and amusement are also pleasing to him. He created us to enjoy them, and it is not only concupiscent sloth that attaches us to them. Of course sloth may incline us to [i]inordinate[/i] attachment to diversion, just as concupiscence may inordinately attach us to any finite good (food, alcohol, comfort, work, sleep, sex, and so on). But the thing itself, and its proper enjoyment, remains [i]per se[/i] good.
God created us for play and amusement just as he created us for work, prayer, and community. In particular he created us for art and culture: to create and look at images; to fashion stories and music and dance, and to perform and enjoy them; to explore imaginative scenarios of good and evil, of conflict and resolution.
It is in our nature to engage in and to enjoy these things, as it is the nature of stars to shine and plants to grow. And, just as the sun glorifies God by shining and plants by growing, so we please and glorify him when we participate in wholesome aesthetic activities and amusements. In fact, because man has free will, he pleases God in a special way when he freely participates in the goods proper to his nature. If he does so with a will to glorify God, it can even be meritorious.
[b] Defining decency[/b]

But what is "decent" entertainment or "humane" culture? Must a decent film deal only with uplifting or wholesome subjects, or may dark or disturbing themes also be dealt with? Can a film include nudity or profanity and still be "decent"? Can "humane culture" include popular films or genres like action films and romantic comedies, or do only highbrow "art films" count as true culture?
On the subject of disturbing and immoral themes and subjects in art, Pope John Paul II expressed a profound insight in his "Letter to Artists": "Even when they explore the darkest depths of the soul or the most unsettling aspects of evil, artists give voice in a way to the universal desire for redemption" (10). True art, humane art, can be profoundly difficult and unpleasant, and still represent a humane response to the fallenness of the world and of mankind and to the necessity of redemption.
Likewise, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] declares that "the narration, description or portrayal of moral evil" can "serve to bring about a deeper knowledge and study of humanity" — though it adds that such depictions must always be "subject to moral restraint, lest they work to the harm rather than the benefit of souls, particularly when there is question of treating matters which deserve reverent handling or which, given the baneful effect of original sin in men, could quite readily arouse base desires in them" (IM 7).
Artists must, then, have the restraint to avoid presenting audiences with likely occasions of sin. Obviously this does not mean that they must avoid anything that could possibly be an occasion of sin for [i]anyone[/i]. The concupiscent disordering of our desires varies so widely in nature and severity from one person to another that even the most innocent imagery or narrative imaginable could conceivably arouse base desires in at least some people. For example, because there are foot-fetishists in the world does not mean that a film must never show the actors’ feet.
A good rule of thumb would be to avoid what is [i]likely[/i] to be an occasion of sin for reasonably healthy viewers. Also, what is appropriate for adults may not be appropriate for the young, and there is a duty to "safeguard" the young from what "may be harmful at their age" (IM 12). Some rigorists argue that adults should be held to the same standards of acceptability as children, and that whatever is inappropriate for children should also be considered inappropriate for adults ("If it’s sinful for them, it’s sinful for me"). In speaking of shielding children from what "may be harmful [i]at their age[/i]," however, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] clearly implies that such content need [i]not[/i] be harmful to those of another age.
One might think that the fact that sacred scripture itself includes accounts of evils from adultery and murder to idolatry and blasphemy would suffice to establish, in principle, the legitimacy of treating such subjects in narrative form. Many rigorists, though, seem to regard the sacredness of scripture as grounds for an exception rather than a precedent. Try to extend the example of scripture to merely human literature or artwork, and you may be met with the response, "Are you equating human art with God’s word?"
Of course the inspiration or non-inspiration of a given story of adultery or rape doesn’t necessarily directly affect the likelihood of its being an occasion of sin for the audience. If 2 Samuel 11’s account of David watching Bathsheba bathe can be morally safe reading, so in principle could an equally restrained story of a comparable event in a work of fiction.
True, it’s one thing to read a typically bare-bones account of such an event in scripture, and another to see nudity or gore graphically represented before one’s eyes. But then in addition to sacred scripture there is also the history of Christian art to consider, especially in the West. Realistic depictions of male and female nudity, as well as grisly depictions of violent and gory imagery, can be found in Christian churches all over Europe, even in the Vatican itself. (Many critics of Gibson’s [i]Passion[/i] who complained about the contrast between the terse gospel passion narratives and the explicit violence of the film seemed strangely unaware that Gibson’s film is hardly the first work of art in 2000 years to emphasize the physical horror of the passion and crucifixion.)
Some rigorists, especially non-Catholics, go so far as to condemn Western art along with the movies. Catholic rigorists are unlikely to go so far, but may instead argue that the documentary power of film, with its ability to capture movement and sound as well as photographic detail, makes explicit nudity and violence in that medium more problematic than in the most realistic paintings or sculptures. (This is in a way analogous to the Eastern Orthodox argument that two-dimensional iconography and even relief sculpture are legitimate forms of sacred art, but fully three-dimensional sculpture in the round is too much like an idol.)
It is true that among the arts film poses special issues - that it is especially liable to abuse by the unscrupulous, and can be exceptionally insidious when so abused. "Moral restraint" in its production and consumption is certainly necessary to avoid either presenting or being confronted with likely occasions of sin. But reasonable Catholic opinion will not insist on equating "restraint" with an absolute ban on nudity, violence, profanity, and so forth.
[b] The Vatican film list[/b]

A concrete example of the standards of [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] applied to particular films is available in another Vatican document: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/vaticanfilmlist.html"]the 1995 Vatican film list[/url]. This list, published by the Pontifical Council for Social Communications in commemoration of the centenary of cinema, enumerates 45 "important films," each noted for exceptional value in one of the three areas of "Religion," "Values," and "Art" (fifteen films in each area).
Titled simply "Some Important Films," this document is not meant to offer a set of definitive or magisterial "top fifteen" lists, nor to establish these particular films as definitely more worthwhile than any film that was not included. "Not all that deserve mention are included," the pontifical council acknowledged in releasing the list.
For those who insist on a rigorist approach to film, though, it’s hard to see how some of these films could be deemed "deserving" of special note at all, except as films to [i]avoid[/i]. Nudity, sexual content, obscene or profane language, and explicit violence can all be found in films on this list. Some of the films also examine faith or religion with a questioning or even skeptical eye, or depict Church authorities in a negative light. Yet all demonstrate a level of restraint that distinguishes them from morally unworthy productions that pose a likely occasion of sin for viewers.
Take nudity and sexual content. In some of these films, nudity is depicted in a nonsexual way, as when [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/schindlerslist.html"][i]Schindler’s List[/i][/url] depicts concentration-camp inmates forced to cower naked in the courtyard or in shower rooms. Some of the prisoners are old and decrepit; some are shapeless and dumpy; all are terrified and milling about. These scenes are not the least bit erotic or prurient — quite the contrary. They elicit pity and horror, not lust. Although they contain full frontal nudity, they cannot remotely be considered likely occasions of sin.
Another example of nonsexual nudity can be found in [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/mission.html"][i]The Mission[/i][/url], which depicts the native Guaraní of South America with what the U.S. bishops Office of Film and Broadcasting has helpfully termed "ethnographic nudity" — that is, the sort of nudity required to depict certain cultures, such as one finds in [i]National Geographic[/i]. Specifically, the Guaraní women wear no tops, and Guaraní of both sexes wear loincloths that display their buttocks.
By its nature, the everyday nudity in [i]The Mission[/i] is both more pervasive and less distressing than that in [i]Schindler’s List[/i]. Yet [i]The Mission[/i] is no more prurient or exploitative than [i]Schindler’s List[/i]. A typical viewer will no more be incited to lust by this film than by [i]National Geographic[/i]. In fact, [i]The Mission[/i] received a tame PG rating (not even PG-13) from the MPAA.
This is not to say that that [i]The Mission[/i] couldn’t possibly present [i]anyone[/i] with an occasion of sin. Certain people may be more vulnerable on this point than others — for example, adolescent boys, who can be so combustible that they might find prurient interest even in [i]National Geographic[/i], or in the Renaissance wing of an art museum. But for most viewers, the nudity in [i]The Mission[/i] shouldn’t present any particular moral obstacle to viewing the film.
Not all the nudity in the films of the Vatican list is nonsexual. Sexual nudity, sexually explicit dialogue, and depictions of sexual activity can also be found in [i]Schindler’s List[/i], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/dekalog.html"][i]The Decalogue[/i][/url], [i]Andrei Rublev[/i], and others.
Some films on the list are practically catalogues of disturbing, immoral, or otherwise problematic behavior necessary to their theme or purpose. [i]Andrei Rublev[/i], set in medieval Russia, is full of poetic imagery, moral and existential questions, and religious themes. But its imagery can be disturbing: There is a restrained depiction of a ritual pagan sex orgy, with nude pagans running through the forest and coupling on the ground; a naked witch sensuously kissing an Orthodox priest bound cruciform; a horrifying scene of pillaging and warfare that includes footage of a live cow on fire; a bawdy jester who displays an upside-down human face drawn on his buttocks while walking on his hands; and an instance of an extremely strong and offensive four-syllable obscenity. Another "Religion" honoree from the same director, [i]The Sacrifice[/i], includes a poetic, non-explicit sequence depicting a man having sex with a witch (levitating in midair above the bed) in order to avert the end of the world.
Another Vatican list honoree, [i]The Decalogue[/i], consists of ten unsettling one-hour films loosely themed around the Ten Commandments. One episode deals with incestuous attraction between a widowed father and the teenaged daughter who may or not be his. Another includes explicit dialogue regarding female sexuality in a scene in which a promiscuous woman seduces a young voyeur who has been watching her through a telescope. Still another involves a drawn-out, grisly murder. It should be noted that [i]The Decalogue[/i] is not a collection of morality tales, not an apologia for the commandments. The work is concerned with provoking moral thought in the viewer, but not with upholding a specific moral code.
Not all of the films on the list are as difficult and challenging as these. Films such as [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/wizardofoz.html"][i]The Wizard of Oz[/i][/url], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/littlewomen1933.html"][i]Little Women[/i] (1933)[/url], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/fantasia.html"][i]Fantasia[/i][/url], and [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/itsawonderfullife.html"][i]It’s a Wonderful Life[/i][/url] are also honored. This is not a list for expert theologians or professional critics only, and popular films as well as highbrow films are acknowledged as humane art.
In honoring certain difficult and challenging works, however, the Vatican clearly means for viewers to watch these films in a mature and judicious spirit, not passively imbibing everything for entertainment’s sake, but critically evaluating what they see and hear in light of the fullness of Catholic teaching.
This is in keeping with the teaching of [i]Inter Mirifica[/i], which exhorts all who use the media to "endeavor to deepen their understanding of what they see, hear or read" and "learn to pass sound judgements" regarding them (IM 10). While noting that primary moral responsibility for the proper use of the media falls to those who produce and distribute it — as well as to critics who inform the public (IM 11) — the decree also calls for "audiences of different cultural backgrounds and ages" to be instructed in "the proper use of the media" (IM 16).
[b] An imperfect world[/b]

The rigorist rejection of all films that contain anything in any way offensive often seems to imply that merely [i]watching[/i] a film is tantamount to [i]approving of[/i] everything in the film. "You wouldn’t eat something that had even a little bit of arsenic mixed in it, would you?" they ask, implying that whatever is in a film gets imbibed along with everything else.
One reply to this objection might be that if it comes to that, people [i]do[/i] consume trace amounts of arsenic all the time, and are quite right to do so. Tap water, for example, commonly contains some level of arsenic, but as long as the level is low enough, it does no harm to drink the water — on the contrary, it does great good, since we need water to live, and even slightly arsenic-tainted water can sustain and preserve life. Experts might quibble about exactly how much arsenic in drinking water is acceptable, but none argues that the only acceptable level is zero.
But a better reply might be to change the analogy. One can enjoy a tasty rib dinner at a decent restaurant while leaving inedible bits of gristle on the plate. One can appreciate a pastor’s generally excellent homily while mentally bracketing a dubious speculation or unfortunate phrasing. One can enjoy the company of one’s neighbors while deliberately overlooking or forbearing with their petty faults.
Of course it’s also true that some friends, some churches, and some diets would do you more harm than good. We have to be discriminating. We want wholesome society, a good church, healthy food. But the standard of what is wholesome or good or healthy can never be "absolute perfection." If a man insisted on perfect friends, a perfect church, and perfect food, he would die friendless, unchurched, and quickly.
Like all things human, films and other works of art and culture are subject to limitations, imperfections, and flaws. Some are so flawed that they are unwholesome and should be avoided. But a thing can be basically wholesome without necessarily being perfect.
As an example, consider the family film [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/babe.html"][i]Babe[/i][/url], a delightful film with no potential drawbacks other than a few scenes of menace that might frighten the very young and very sensitive, and a single line in which the farm couple’s city-slicker son-in-law ends a sentence with the phrase "for Christ’s sake."
Profanity is always wrong, but of course we make characters in stories do all sorts of bad things without necessarily approving of them, and profanity is no exception. In principle, an actor can recite a line involving profanity without being personally profane, just as a Christian actor playing St. Peter on Holy Thursday might swear that he has never heard of Jesus, or indeed as faithful Catholics all over the world on Good Friday utter the damning line, "We have no king but Caesar." This kind of sin is a matter of intention, not just syllables, and an actor who says "for Christ’s sake" is not necessarily profane.
That’s not to say that profanity in drama is neither here nor there. It can be morally objectionable, especially if used gratuitously or in a way likely to contribute to its casual acceptance in society.
Is the brief profanity in [i]Babe[/i] justified or unjustified? It might be argued, on the one hand, that the line underscores a cultural divide between the farm couple and their callow son-in-law. On the other hand, it might be answered that this point doesn’t justify the use of profanity in a family film of this sort.
Let’s assume the latter view, that the line is gratuitous and unjustified. [i]Babe[/i] is, then, an imperfect film. It would be better if that objectionable line had been omitted. But does this one line make the difference between a wholesome film and an unacceptable one? Does it neutralize Babe’s positive themes of treating others with courtesy and respect, overcoming prejudices, facing challenges, and so forth? Would the world be better off had this movie never been made?
No. That would be the same kind of thinking that would result in refusal to enjoy the company of imperfect people, to attend an imperfect church, to or eat imperfect food. That’s no way to live.




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Going back to 1936, a Jesuit priest named Father Daniel Lord SJ founded the Legion of Decency. It was very successful in keeping the film industry making decent films. Every year on the feast of Christ the King every Catholic church had its parishioners take the pledge to avoid going to indecent movies. Why don’t we bring back the Legion of Decency?[/indent]
The Legion of Decency was founded in 1933. Fr. Lord did not found it, although he supported its work, as did Pius XI. Fr. Lord did cowrite the 1930 Production Code, which governed Hollywood morality from 1934 until its eventual demise in 1967, when it was replaced by the MPAA age-based ratings system.
Prior to the Legion, American Catholic film criticism operated on a “white list” basis, meaning that approved films were positively reviewed, but problematic films were simply ignored rather than “black listed.” The Legion changed this by classifying movies for moral and age appropriateness including condemning movies considered unacceptable. Countless Catholics vowed to avoid films classified as condemned, and sympathetic non-Catholics including Protestants, Jews and even atheists supported the work.
Fearing organized Catholic boycotts, Hollywood finally agreed to a system of strictly enforced moral self-censorship, and in 1934 the major studios established the Production Code Administration, which worked with studios as films were being developed and issued a seal of approval to finished films that were judged to meet the moral standards of the Production Code. The PCA was headed from 1934 to 1954 by Hollywood insider and Jesuit-trained Catholic Joseph I. Breen.
Cracks in the system began to appear from the post-war years onward. The rise of foreign film and independent theaters showed that it was possible to make and distribute movies without the PCA seal — and such films might have considerable artistic or even moral substance while treating subject matter in ways not permitted by the Code. With changing social mores, the line between violations of morality and violations of decorum became harder to find.
The effort to apply moral concerns in an objective, codifiable way, whether by the PCA or the Legion, was always problematic. Breen had strong ideas about what was and wasn’t acceptable, and while I think there’s a lot to be said for his approach, there were also flaws.
In the 1960s the Legion of Decency was absorbed into the US bishops conference, and eventually became the Office for Film and Broadcasting as we know it today. It still carries on the work of classifying movies for moral and age-based appropriateness, including classifying some films as morally offensive. The fundamental difference is that these decisions are no longer considered binding on individual Catholics, as they once were at least for those Catholics who took an annual vow to avoid offensive films — meaning, of course, films condemned by the Legion.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-8/15"]Re: ClearPlay[/url][/b]
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What do you think of the ClearPlay DVD and membership system?[/indent]
The ClearPlay system differs from the approach pioneered by CleanFlix and similar services in that it does not physically edit or alter movie media such as DVDs, but uses customized filtering routines to skip designated portions of films. ClearPlay editors create the filtering routines for each film, tagging potentially objectionable material under various categories which viewers can customize according to their own preferences.
Legally, this system has been upheld as consistent with copyright law, in contrast to the CleanFlix approach, which was successfully sued for copyright violations by Hollywood filmmakers.
Artistically, it’s a grey area. Some feel that a film should be seen as the filmmakers intended or not at all. While this argument may be weakened somewhat by existing editing practices for network television and the like, such edits are usually authorized by the studio which has negotiated these rights with the filmmakers. Third-party censors producing editing viewing experiences without any agreement with the filmmakers or studios strikes some as problematic.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-8/17"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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I recently stumbled onto your website, and I absolutely love it. Although I come from a slightly different background — I’m a politically liberal Jew — I love your perspective on movies. I especially enjoy the fact that you grade a movie’s morals not on its actual violence/nudity content, but the message that it’s sending out — that’s unusual for a Christian review site, and I think it’s much more honest.
I’m wondering if you could post a couple of reviews of some of my favorite flicks. First order of business is definitely [i]Chinatown[/i], that gorgeously constructed neo-noir that some critics consider to be cinematically flawless (it’s hard to argue with) and is one of my all-time favorites. I’m surprised you haven’t already reviewed it, since you already have a couple of Polanski entries here. I also would love to know what you think of [i]Fargo[/i]. It’s my favorite Coen Brothers movie; despite the violence, I think it’s warmly empathetic, very funny, and even morally sound (and Frances McDormand is amazing in it). I’d love to know what you think of these two. Thanks for all the great work. Keep it up![/indent]
It’s especially gratifying for a writer to be heard at any sort of distance or from a different point of view. Although I write from a particular perspective, I would hate to think that my work addresses only a narrow spectrum of opinion or belief.
There are, alas, a great many crucial films that I have never reviewed, although I may be getting to a few of them sooner rather than later. An upcoming DVD edition of the [i]Godfather[/i] films will probably provide the impetus to finally take on that challenge. And while [i]Chinatown[/i] will, alas, probably remain in Decent Films limbo for the foreseeable future, by a strange coincidence I was contemplating a [i]Fargo[/i] review just this morning, in part perhaps by way of offering further commentary on [i]No Country for Old Men[/i] (which I’ve written about but not reviewed). I will take your email as another straw in the wind leaning in that direction.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-5/36"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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I’ve read several reviews and I’d like to say that they are all particularly well written. I’d like to commend you on that. I’m emailing you now, I suppose, with a couple questions about being a Christian and a film buff (much like me).
The past few days, I’ve been sort of re-evaluating what I deem acceptable in movies when it comes to violence, profanity, etc. Normally, I’d jump at the chance to see the recent mindless action movie or, with a few exceptions, the most recent pointless comedy.
I guess my dilemma all started a couple days ago when I saw the movie [i]Brain Dead[/i]. It’s an older zombie comedy movie with gratuitous gore by Peter Jackson before [i]LOTR[/i] made him famous. I became aware by the end of the movie that something happened that didn’t happen before. The usual enjoyment and sometimes laughter at the over the top gore wasn’t there anymore. Sure, I laughed during the movie, but by the end, I couldn’t laugh about it before.
The problem is, though I know that I take my Catholic faith very seriously, I feel as though I’m doing God a disservice by appreciating and enjoying films that promote these types of materials. I have a fairly large film collection (about 200 movies). Though only about 5–7% of them are considered objectionable, I’m not entirely sure what to do. I mostly own action movies ([i]Die Hard[/i], [i]Terminator[/i], etc.) comedies ([i]Monty Python and the Holy Grail[/i], [i]Blazing Saddles[/i]) and a few horror movies ([i]Saw[/i], [i]28 Days/Weeks Later[/i], zombie movies)
By watching movies that contain these materials, am I offending God in the process? When evaluating movies for you, how do you know when you’ve crossed the line between good entertainment and something that’s negative for the soul?[/indent]
You raise some good questions, and I’m gratified by the seriousness with which you are considering these issues.
I haven’t seen some of the films you mention, but in principle I can think of several possible reasons why someone watching a film he has always enjoyed might find himself reacting differently to it as you have.
It’s certainly the case that growing and maturing in one’s faith can alter one’s sensibilities and reactions are no longer the same. It’s also true that one’s tastes and sensibilities in general change over time. Whether for faith-related reasons or other reasons, it’s not uncommon to find ourselves outgrowing our previous tastes in movies, music, books, clothes and so forth — and acquiring new tastes that previously might have held little interest for us.
This isn’t necessarily to denigrate the tastes of youth (though sometimes they should be). It’s simply to say that we aren’t the same person at 25 that we are at 15, or at 45 that we are at 35, etc. Not that we are totally different either — much of what we enjoyed or disliked in our youth may be with us throughout our lives — but when and where this doesn’t happen, it may simply suggest that it’s time to move on, to enjoy other things. This doesn’t necessarily mean we need regret our previous tastes and experiences — although again in certain cases we should.
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It’s a shame and sad that you have so much knowledge and intelligence that you aren’t entertained by simple movies like the rest of us. I feel sorry for you. Well at least you get paid for what you do, I guess that’s what counts. Your reviews miss the point quite often. But it’s fun reading your reviews. Just like watching movies — it entertaining, that’s all.[/indent]
Let me tell you a story.
Two men are at a wine tasting, and try three vintages from three different tables. The first man enjoys all three.
The second man enjoys the first drink, the same as the first man. But when they get to the second table, he demurs: “It’s flabby. Nothing special. A little short on the finish.” At this, the second says, “It’s a shame you have so much knowledge that you can’t enjoy a simple drink like the rest of us.”
Then they try the third vintage, which the first man enjoys every bit as much as he did the first. This time, though, the second man goes nuts. He’s rhapsodizing about finesse, breeding, balance, hints of this and that, etc. He is in a transport of joy.
Which man do you think enjoyed the wine tasting more?
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I would like to thank you for your ministry! It has been helpful for me in deciding what to show my children. I have an unrelated question for you that you may or may not know the answer to. My niece told us about a website (Shows4me.com) that offers free videos, have you heard of this site. My concern would be if this is considered pirating, I looked at the site, it has everything imaginable. I thank you in advance for your response. May God continue to bless your ministry.[/indent]
As far as I can tell, Shows4me.com doesn’t actually host movie and TV show files, but rather provides links to other websites, such as www.tv-links.co.uk, where such content has been posted.
At least much of this content, if not all, is pirated, i.e., it has been illegally recorded and/or posted for public consumption. Some of the movies will have been secretly recorded via hand-held camera in a movie theater; other offerings may have been copied from DVDs, TiVo’ed or obtained from a legal source but then illicitly posted on the Web.
Entertainment piracy is a form of theft, and thus a violation of the seventh commandment. Sites that offer pirated content should be avoided; we should stick to legal ways of obtaining and viewing content. This usually means we will have to pay for it in some form or other, which is only fair (“The laborer deserves his wages”).
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-10/76"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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Does a moral-spiritual value of +4/-4 mean the moral value is 4 and the spiritual value is 4? I have been thinking of them as separate, e.g. moral/spiritual. I have a hard time rationalizing how a movie can have a moral-spiritual rating of +4/-2 if both numbers relate to the same attribute.
Except for my confusion I like your ratings and use them to help select weekly movies for the Christian retirement community where I live.[/indent]
Like many critics, I don’t really like ratings. They’re a convenience to the reader as a quick index of the critic’s opinion, but sometimes readers seem to regard the rating as the ultimate verdict on the film, and the review as the accompanying opinion clarifying or justifying the rating.
There are really too many ways for a movie to be variously good or bad, or both at the same time, for any ratings system to do justice to any film worth discussing. In my ratings system, I’ve tried to strike a balance between the complexities of what makes a film worthwhile or not and the built-in limitations of any ratings scheme.
“Moral-spiritual value” in my system is is an umbrella category, not two separate criteria. The reason for split ratings like +3/-2 is that it is often not possible to consider the moral-spiritual significance of a film as “good” or “bad” in an undifferentiated way. Movies often combine significant positive and negative elements, both of which demand to be acknowledged in their own right.
For example, I gave [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/juno.html"][i]Juno[/i][/url] a split +3/-2 rating. On the +3 side, I found [i]Juno[/i]’s strikingly pro-life resonances worthy of enthusiastic acknowledgment. On the other hand, the rather uncritical treatment of teen sexual activity, divorce and remarriage and the sheer crudity of the first half-hour in particular add a problematic element to the film.
For the record, I believe the widest split rating for any Decent Films review is for Ingmar Bergman’s [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/seventhseal.html"][i]The Seventh Seal[/i][/url], which I called at +3/-3. On the one hand, the film’s intense spiritual thirst, moral conflict and religious awareness are profoundly humanistic and worthwhile; on the other hand, Bergman seems to point away from religion in various ways.
The ratings at either extreme, +4 and -4, are intended to express a degree of praise or censure that is unqualified, and I don’t believe I have ever mitigated them with a contrasting rating. Thus, no actual movie would have the example you give,+4/-2.
Hope that makes some sense.
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I happen to enjoy your ratings and frequently find my taste agreeing! I would love it if there were some way to sort your ratings by Grade/Moral value so that I can look for movies to see that are recommended, instead of having to read through all the archives.[/indent]
There is! Go to the [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/search"]Search page[/url] (the link next to the search field). There you can sort reviews by ranges of any given criteria: recommendability, artistic-entertainment rating, moral-spiritual rating, age appropriateness, year of release, genre, USCCB rating, MPAA rating, and other criteria.
There are also quick searches in the leftnav offering top recommendations in various genres, top-recommended films, most morally-spiritually significant films, and even a couple of categories for non-recommended films (if you’re interested in negative reviews). Thanks for your interest.
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The Pope’s address which spoke of violence in movies — does this mean we are not now permitted to watch certain movies that have a certain kind of violence?[/indent]
I’m not sure whether this is the address you mean, but in his [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/communications/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20070124_41st-world-communications-day_en.html"]2007 message for World Communications Day[/url] Benedict XVI decried “programmes and products — including animated films and video games — which in the name of entertainment exalt violence and portray anti-social behaviour or the trivialization of human sexuality is a perversion, all the more repulsive when these programmes are directed at children and adolescents.” The pope went on to say, “I appeal to the leaders of the media industry to educate and encourage producers to safeguard the common good, to uphold the truth, to protect individual human dignity and promote respect for the needs of the family.”
The Holy Father does not criticize all media presentations that include violence — or sexuality — but those that [i]exalt[/i] violence or [i]trivialize[/i] human sexuality, especially when they are targeted at youth.
He also qualifies his comments with the important phrase “in the name of entertainment.” Where violence or sexuality is served up as entertainment, human dignity is demeaned. But entertainment is not the sole function of film. For example, films can also challenge, inspire and educate.
Appropriate depictions of violence which put it in its true moral light — which either highlight the evil of wrongful violence, or depict morally legitimate violence employed to resist evil — do not exalt violence in the way that the Holy Father has in mind, and may aim to do more than just entertain. (This is not to demean entertainment in itself.) Within moral limits, depictions of sexuality may also serve legitimate artistic purposes, though here as with violence restraint is needed to avoid appealing to base desires and offering occasions of sin, as per [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19631204_inter-mirifica_en.html"][i]Inter Mirifica[/i][/url] 7.
Pope Benedict’s mention of “animated films” might be confusing to some Americans because Hollywood doesn’t produce the kind of animated films the pope has in mind. However, the Holy Father is likely aware of the ultraviolent and sexual content not uncommon in Japanese anime. Unfortunately, Americans do have more familiarity with the sort of video games to which the Holy Father refers, e.g., in the [i]Grand Theft Auto[/i] series.
Not all movies with violent or sexual content exalt or trivialize acts demeaning to human dignity. For example, the [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/articles/vaticanfilmlist.html"]1995 Vatican film list[/url] honors a number of films that include violent and/or sexual content, but do so in a way that does not exalt violence or trivialize sexuality. [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wall-e.html"][i]Schindler’s List[/i][/url] is a well-known example; other relevant examples include [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/andreirublev.html"][i]Andrei Rublev[/i][/url], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/mission.html"][i]The Mission[/i][/url] and [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/dekalog.html"][i]The Decalogue[/i][/url].
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-13/127"]Re: Decent Films for the Very Young[/url][/b]
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I would like to know a list of movies suitable for kids under five.[/indent]
Here are some of my favorite movies for children under five. These are general recommendations; for kids under five you need to know your own kid. I recommend watching the movie ahead of time. Most of these have something or other that some sensitive children may have trouble with; I’ve noted a few obvious points below.[list]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/myneighbortotoro.html"][i]My Neighbor Totoro[/i][/url] (1982)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wall-e.html"][i]WALL-E[/i][/url] (2008)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/bambi.html"][i]Bambi[/i][/url] (1942) — tense scenes include the thunderstorm, the dogs and the fire, and of course the loss of Bambi’s mother.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/fantasia.html"][i]Fantasia[/i][/url] (1940) — the “Rite of Spring” dinos may be too scary; definitely skip the “Bald Mountain” sequence for now.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/babe.html"][i]Babe[/i][/url] (1995) — a few tense scenes of animal menace.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/findingnemo.html"][i]Finding Nemo[/i][/url] (2003) — watch out for the scary sharks.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/kikisdeliveryservice.html"][i]Kiki’s Delivery Service[/i][/url] (1989)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/peterpan2000.html"][i]Peter Pan[/i][/url] (2000) — this is the Cathy Rigby stage version, [i]not[/i] the Disney cartoon.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/storyoftheweepingcamel.html"][i]The Story of the Weeping Camel[/i][/url] (2003)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/atlantis1991.html"][i]Atlantis (1991)[/i][/url] — an undersea documentary, not to be confused with the 2001 Disney film.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/manyadventuresofpooh.html"][i]The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh[/i][/url] (1973)
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Also highly recommended in non-feature viewing:[list]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/peterrabbitcollection.html"]“The World of Peter Rabbit & Friends” / “The Beatrix Potter Collection”[/url]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wallaceandgromit2001.html"]Aardman stuff[/url]: “Wallace & Gromit: Three Amazing Adventures” and Shaun the Sheep (“Off the Baa,” “Back in the Ba-a-ath”)
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Hope that helps.
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Is it a sin to watch a film with nudity/partial nudity if you’re not watching the film to see the nudity, and the nudity does not cause you to sin?[/indent]
Your question reminds me of the wise priest who said, “The Catholic Church teaches authoritatively, has always taught authoritatively, and will always teach authoritatively, that the visual arts … are a grey area.”
I’ve written about nudity in film before, notably in “[url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/sections/articles/decentfilms.html"]What Are the Decent Films?[/url]”
Whether nudity in a film causes the viewer to sin is, of course, the chief issue, though not the only issue. There is also the dignity of the actors to be considered. Gratuitous or exploitative nudity is always wrong, at least for the filmmakers.
While the presence of some morally problematic content does not necessarily make a movie morally unwatchable for the viewer, it isn’t something to take lightly, and of course the more prominently problematic content is featured in a film, the more of an obstacle it becomes.
Incidentally, actual nudity isn’t the only issue here. Lascivious displays involving more or less clothed bodies are also contrary to human dignity.
That said, Catholic moral theology does not support the conclusion that all nudity in art, including cinema, must always be considered morally wrong, or that Catholics must always avoid all art that includes such nudity, even if that nudity is at times morally problematic.
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I am the Dean of Students at a small Catholic college in Canada. Our students are required to “get permission” to watch movies in order to help with the discernment of wheather or not it is appropriate for viewing in community. We have been hoping to compile a list of movies, mostly modern ones (last 25 years) that are pre-approved, such as the ones recommended on your website. Is there such a list that you wouldn’t mind sharing with us? I would be most grateful for your assistance.[/indent]
Who is responsible for approving or not approving movies? I can’t predict what movies would or wouldn’t meet with the approval of a given authority, although I could propose possible candidates.
As a place to start, you might try searching via the Decent Films search page on movies from 1985 and later, rated for teens and up or less restrictive, with a rating of B or higher. At this writing [url="http://decentfilms.com/sections/search?year_from=1985&overall=B&overall_modifier=%3E%3D&age=T&age_modifier=%3E%3D&search=Search"]that search[/url] currently yields 252 results.
You can also try other custom searches on genre (e.g., religious themes) and moral-spiritual value.
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I appreciate your reviews and hear on Al Kresta and the EWTN programs. I receive a boycott list of companies who give money to Planned Parenthood. One of these is Disney. I understand in your position you have to review these movies and pay to see them. But what about the Catholic viewer? I don’t go to these movies because of this. I also understand we are given little choice. I boycott Chinese goods but have to sometimes buy them because I have no choice. I would like your opinion.[/indent]
Actually, I generally don’t pay to see the movies I review. As a critic, I’m invited by the studios to advance screenings. I also receive DVD screeners of many of the movies I review for DVD release.
In the case of [i]Up[/i], however, I cheerfully paid full price to bring my entire family to see the film after it opened, and would gladly do so again. Disney’s corporate support for Planned Parenthood would not sway me.
This may mean that a tiny fraction of our ticket money may ultimately become a tiny bit of the money Disney contributes to Planned Parenthood. However, the much larger and more immediate effect of buying those tickets is to add to the success of a morally and culturally deserving family film, as well as the success of Pixar, far and away the most consistent force for morally and culturally deserving family entertainment in Hollywood. (For what it’s worth, Pete Docter, the director of [i]Up[/i], is a professing Christian. So, apparently, is Andrew Stanton, director of [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wall-e.html"][i]WALL-E[/i][/url].)
The more successful a wholesome movie like [i]Up[/i] is, the more people it will reach both in theatrical release and on DVD, and the more people will benefit from its moral and artistic excellence. Beyond that, the more successful the filmmakers are with films like this, the more leverage and incentive they will have to keep on producing more deserving family entertainment. Not only that, their success also continues to challenge other studios, on the basis of self-interest if nothing else, to seek to win the same audiences with similarly deserving content.
Not incidentally, we also help to pay the salaries of many hard-working people, from the employees at the local cineplex to all the people who worked on the film. Most of all, we enrich our lives and the lives of our children.
On the whole then, society is much more benefited than harmed by people buying tickets to deserving movies like [i]Up[/i]. As regards boycotting, I think that a boycott is most effective in the case of a corporation where consumers have the choice of patronizing competitors offering more or less comparable goods and services. Movies are all so different from each other that I think the best way to impact the culture is to support good movies and avoid bad movies, regardless who makes them.
All acts have some negative effects if you follow them far enough. You can boycott Disney if you want to, but consider that half the products in your house probably advertise on ABC, which means at least some of your money goes to Disney anyway! That’s a very remote effect, though, compared to the more immediate positive benefit your purchase represents both to you, the manufacturer and the retailer. Thus, sound moral theology permits such purchases.
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Where’s your list of the most spiritually significant movies? Loved it.[/indent]
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[*][url="http://artsandfaith.com/t100/"]The Arts & Faith Top 100 spiritually significant films[/url] (this is the most recent list, from 2006; a new list for 2010 is about to be announced).
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/search?moral=3&moral_modifier=%3E%3D&search=Search"]The most spiritually significant films I’ve reviewed at Decent Films[/url]
[*][url="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/movies/commentaries/2010/tenredeemingfilmsof2009.html"]The Christianity Today Top 10 redeeming films of 2009[/url]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/2009-in-review"]My own top 10/20 for 2009[/url] (not necessarily “spiritual” films)
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My gosh, do you have any idea how amazing I feel finding this site? As a Catholic rediscovering her faith and using the internet to reconnect with many Catholics, I’ve come across many people who are very intolerant of “frivolous” art. As an artist myself, I just love a good piece of fiction, and felt so torn at such comments. I thought for sure my enjoyment of a compelling film was going to send me to hell! But reading through your site has been a wonderful eye-opener!
I’ve been giving extra thought to what I view since coming back to the Church, and have trimmed several unruly branches from my film collection, and your reviews are good to use as a guideline, even if I’m somewhat surprised! ([i]Happy Feet[/i], for example. It makes me overbubbly with cuteness and joy to watch)
My question lies with movies given a minus-4 in morality. If labeled minus-4, does it make the film morally wrong to watch? Does it put it on the list of films that cross the line and shouldn’t be viewed? For example, I greatly enjoy the film [i]V for Vendetta[/i], despite its [i]many[/i] flaws, because I found the characters very powerful and moving, and loved trying to get into their heads, find their motivation, feel what they were feeling. And I saw that on artistic merit, you rated it highly. But, does being given such a morally inept show make it morally wrong to have enjoyed it? Such as when the USCCBA gives a film an O rating? (I’ve been told that films rated O shouldn’t be seen because we’d be supporting the making of a corrupt film).[/indent]
I’m gratified that you’ve found my work helpful, and doubly so that it’s been a part of your reappropriation of your faith.
The moral-spiritual ratings, like the other ratings, are only a quick index of my opinion, representing my response to the film in question. The ratings are less important than the point of view and the arguments presented in the review itself. Even then, the point of view and the arguments of the review represents my opinion and my response to the film. Other people may have different responses which may be equally valid.
That’s not to say that different responses are always equally good, or that none are more adequate or insightful than another. But I don’t automatically assume that my response is better than a reader’s response; the reverse may easily be the case. And it’s not always a matter of better or worse. Tastes differ from one person to another, and often vary with age, experience, state in life and other circumstances. My taste in movies today is different from ten years ago when I started Decent Films, and certainly from 20 years ago. I don’t necessarily decry my 20-year-old taste, but I write as the man I am, even if my experience of the man I was broadens my perspective. Of course, my perspective is necessarily limited by other experiences I haven’t had, if you follow me.
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I was wondering if you could clear up something that has been weighing on my mind heavily for some time now. In an online discussion a while back, a woman stated that if we want to go to Heaven, we listen to the saints, and if we want to go to hell, we listen to anyone else. She went on to say that since saints didn’t watch movies, neither should we, because we will go to hell. This is the same woman who said no one under the age of thirty should be allowed to read the Song of Songs, but I can’t get her words out of my head.[/indent]
Here is what to say when you hear her words in your head. First of all, the correct dictum is not “If we want to go to Heaven, we listen to the saints.” The saints themselves are the first to tell us that the correct dictum is: “If we want to go to Heaven, we listen to the [i]Church[/i].”
For nearly a century the Church has proclaimed that cinema, like all forms of art and communication, is a gift: one that can be used properly to great advantage, or improperly to great harm. Popes Pius XI and Pius XII, the Vatican II decree [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19631204_inter-mirifica_en.html"]Inter Mirifica[/url] and the pastoral instruction [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/pccs/documents/rc_pc_pccs_doc_23051971_communio_en.html"]Communio et Progressio[/url] have all addressed the relevant moral issues.
Pope Pius XII’s addresses on the [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-xii_exh_25101955_ideal-film_en.html"]Ideal Film[/url] begins with open admiration for the technical and artistic achievements of just a few decades, highlighting the cinema’s capacity to bring viewers to imaginary worlds and distant realities. “Most noble” in itself, the Holy Father declared, cinema is at once “so apt to uplift or degrade men, and so quick to produce good or spread evil.”
While there is certainly a clear element of caution in the Church’s teaching, absolutely nothing justifies the conclusion that the Church wishes Catholics to abstain entirely from movies, and that if we do not we will go to hell. Catholic moral theology absolutely will not sustain this thesis.
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I’ve just found out that any form of willed sexual arousal outside of marriage is a grave sin. I have been a Catholic all of my 36 years and counting and I’ve never been informed. I was aghast at first and questioned the truth of it but after a little research [url="http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=476160&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2008&Author=&Keyword=petting&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=3&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at="]it seems it’s true[/url].
So, my question is whether this moves the goalposts regarding what is acceptable to watch in a movie. For example I would have have enjoyed watching a passionate kiss between unmarried men and women but would have averted

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This isn't about television but viewing films, however, I see it as relevent to the same subject.

[b] What Are the Decent Films?[/b]

[b] Entertainment, Art, and Culture in Church Teaching[/b]

Written for [url="http://www.catholic.com/magazines/thisrock.asp"][i]This Rock[/i][/url] magazine
[b] By Steven D. Greydanus[/b]
[indent]"Christians are called to be separate from the world."
"You can’t compromise with sin."
"There are much better ways to spend one’s time."
"You wouldn’t eat something that had a bit of arsenic mixed in it, would you?"[/indent]
As a Catholic film critic, I hear remarks like this from time to time put forward in defense of the view that Christians should avoid (a) movies in general, (b) movies made after 1960, (c) all but the most innocuous family fare, (d) all movies except those that have an uplifting moral or spiritual message, and so on.
Precisely what constitutes unacceptable "worldliness" or "compromise" differs from one objector to another. For one, a single profane or even merely coarse expression may be enough to condemn an entire movie, however uplifting or wholesome it might be on balance. Others draw the line at attire that falls short of their standards of modesty, to say nothing of actual nudity. Still others, displaying almost religious faith in the authority of the MPAA, seem to consider an "R" rating a virtually infallible form of reverse imprimatur (though recently with a unique exception clause for [i]one[/i] R-rated movie, Mel Gibson’s [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/passionofthechrist.html"][i]The Passion of the Christ[/i][/url]).
This rigorous approach to film appears to be more prevalent among non-Catholic Christians than among Catholics. A number of Protestants working in the film industry have confided to me that in their experience Catholics tend to "get" film better than Christians of other stripes. I also know Protestant film writers who face frequent assaults for daring even to devote time and attention to Hollywood that could be better spent on more edifying subjects.
Still, it’s not hard to find this kind of rigorist approach among Catholics, too. One also meets Catholics who admit, perhaps sheepishly, to enjoying the very films condemned by their more scrupulous neighbors, and are worried if they are as good Catholics as they ought to be.
[b] A more nuanced view[/b]

As with all errors, there are elements of truth in the rigorist approach to film. Movies [i]can[/i] — and too often do — contain morally objectionable content, and this can have a harmful influence on individuals and on society. The Second Vatican Council decree [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19631204_inter-mirifica_en.html"][i]Inter Mirifica[/i][/url], "Decree on the Media of Social Communications," warns men of the dangers of employing media like film "contrary to the plan of the Creator and to their own loss" (IM 1).
[i]Inter Mirifica[/i] goes on to affirm "the absolute primacy of the objective moral order," meaning that the moral order "surpasses and fittingly coordinates all other spheres of human affairs — the arts not excepted — even though they be endowed with notable dignity" (IM 6). The decree also exhorts men to avoid presentations that "may be a cause or occasion of spiritual harm to themselves, or that can lead others into danger through base example, or that hinder desirable presentations and promote those that are evil" (IM 9).
At the same time, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] outlines principles of a Catholic approach to film and other media that is much more positive and nuanced than the rigorist view. Where the rigorist view often regards entertainment as well as art and culture as indifferent at best if not frivolous, or even as a distraction or temptation, the Vatican II decree [i]affirms entertainment, culture and art as positive goods[/i]. These are not the [i]only[/i] goods that the media can and should serve, but they remain good in themselves, not merely as a means to some other end.
Specifically, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] states that the media, "if properly utilized, can be of great service to mankind, since they greatly contribute to men’s entertainment and instruction as well as to the spread and support of the Kingdom of God" (IM 1), and that young people especially "need a press and entertainment that offer them decent amusement and cultural uplift" (IM 11). Later, it declares,[indent]The production and showing of films that have value as decent entertainment, humane culture or art, especially when they are designed for young people, ought to be encouraged and assured by every effective means. This can be done particularly by supporting and joining in projects and enterprises for the production and distribution of decent films, by encouraging worthwhile films through critical approval and awards, by patronizing or jointly sponsoring theaters operated by Catholic and responsible managers. (IM 14)[/indent]
Certainly we must not overlook the qualifiers that entertainment and culture must be "decent" and "humane," nor the other goods (i.e., "instruction" and even "the spread and support of the Kingdom of God") that the media can and should serve.
The decree does [i]not[/i] state, however, that entertainment is of value [i]only[/i] as a tool for instruction or for spreading and supporting the Kingdom of God. Nor does it state only that people need only be [i]shielded[/i] from [i]indecent[/i] entertainment and culture, or that decent entertainment and culture are needed only in order to combat indecent entertainment and culture. Rather, it declares entertainment and culture in themselves to be things that people "need" — part of a "great service to mankind."
Unfortunately, many Christians and even some Catholics are suspicious of entertainment for its own sake, and even of art and culture. "There are better ways to spend one’s time" is a common refrain for those who take this view. Why watch a movie when one could be praying the rosary, reading scripture or the lives of the saints, volunteering at church or in a soup kitchen?
Obviously, prayer, devotional reading, and service are very necessary and worthwhile acts, and certainly God doesn’t want us spending all our free time seeking entertainment and amusement. But neither does he require or wish all Christians to spend all their spare time in the pursuit of expressly religious and charitable works. Play, recreation, and amusement are also pleasing to him. He created us to enjoy them, and it is not only concupiscent sloth that attaches us to them. Of course sloth may incline us to [i]inordinate[/i] attachment to diversion, just as concupiscence may inordinately attach us to any finite good (food, alcohol, comfort, work, sleep, sex, and so on). But the thing itself, and its proper enjoyment, remains [i]per se[/i] good.
God created us for play and amusement just as he created us for work, prayer, and community. In particular he created us for art and culture: to create and look at images; to fashion stories and music and dance, and to perform and enjoy them; to explore imaginative scenarios of good and evil, of conflict and resolution.
It is in our nature to engage in and to enjoy these things, as it is the nature of stars to shine and plants to grow. And, just as the sun glorifies God by shining and plants by growing, so we please and glorify him when we participate in wholesome aesthetic activities and amusements. In fact, because man has free will, he pleases God in a special way when he freely participates in the goods proper to his nature. If he does so with a will to glorify God, it can even be meritorious.
[b] Defining decency[/b]

But what is "decent" entertainment or "humane" culture? Must a decent film deal only with uplifting or wholesome subjects, or may dark or disturbing themes also be dealt with? Can a film include nudity or profanity and still be "decent"? Can "humane culture" include popular films or genres like action films and romantic comedies, or do only highbrow "art films" count as true culture?
On the subject of disturbing and immoral themes and subjects in art, Pope John Paul II expressed a profound insight in his "Letter to Artists": "Even when they explore the darkest depths of the soul or the most unsettling aspects of evil, artists give voice in a way to the universal desire for redemption" (10). True art, humane art, can be profoundly difficult and unpleasant, and still represent a humane response to the fallenness of the world and of mankind and to the necessity of redemption.
Likewise, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] declares that "the narration, description or portrayal of moral evil" can "serve to bring about a deeper knowledge and study of humanity" — though it adds that such depictions must always be "subject to moral restraint, lest they work to the harm rather than the benefit of souls, particularly when there is question of treating matters which deserve reverent handling or which, given the baneful effect of original sin in men, could quite readily arouse base desires in them" (IM 7).
Artists must, then, have the restraint to avoid presenting audiences with likely occasions of sin. Obviously this does not mean that they must avoid anything that could possibly be an occasion of sin for [i]anyone[/i]. The concupiscent disordering of our desires varies so widely in nature and severity from one person to another that even the most innocent imagery or narrative imaginable could conceivably arouse base desires in at least some people. For example, because there are foot-fetishists in the world does not mean that a film must never show the actors’ feet.
A good rule of thumb would be to avoid what is [i]likely[/i] to be an occasion of sin for reasonably healthy viewers. Also, what is appropriate for adults may not be appropriate for the young, and there is a duty to "safeguard" the young from what "may be harmful at their age" (IM 12). Some rigorists argue that adults should be held to the same standards of acceptability as children, and that whatever is inappropriate for children should also be considered inappropriate for adults ("If it’s sinful for them, it’s sinful for me"). In speaking of shielding children from what "may be harmful [i]at their age[/i]," however, [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] clearly implies that such content need [i]not[/i] be harmful to those of another age.
One might think that the fact that sacred scripture itself includes accounts of evils from adultery and murder to idolatry and blasphemy would suffice to establish, in principle, the legitimacy of treating such subjects in narrative form. Many rigorists, though, seem to regard the sacredness of scripture as grounds for an exception rather than a precedent. Try to extend the example of scripture to merely human literature or artwork, and you may be met with the response, "Are you equating human art with God’s word?"
Of course the inspiration or non-inspiration of a given story of adultery or rape doesn’t necessarily directly affect the likelihood of its being an occasion of sin for the audience. If 2 Samuel 11’s account of David watching Bathsheba bathe can be morally safe reading, so in principle could an equally restrained story of a comparable event in a work of fiction.
True, it’s one thing to read a typically bare-bones account of such an event in scripture, and another to see nudity or gore graphically represented before one’s eyes. But then in addition to sacred scripture there is also the history of Christian art to consider, especially in the West. Realistic depictions of male and female nudity, as well as grisly depictions of violent and gory imagery, can be found in Christian churches all over Europe, even in the Vatican itself. (Many critics of Gibson’s [i]Passion[/i] who complained about the contrast between the terse gospel passion narratives and the explicit violence of the film seemed strangely unaware that Gibson’s film is hardly the first work of art in 2000 years to emphasize the physical horror of the passion and crucifixion.)
Some rigorists, especially non-Catholics, go so far as to condemn Western art along with the movies. Catholic rigorists are unlikely to go so far, but may instead argue that the documentary power of film, with its ability to capture movement and sound as well as photographic detail, makes explicit nudity and violence in that medium more problematic than in the most realistic paintings or sculptures. (This is in a way analogous to the Eastern Orthodox argument that two-dimensional iconography and even relief sculpture are legitimate forms of sacred art, but fully three-dimensional sculpture in the round is too much like an idol.)
It is true that among the arts film poses special issues - that it is especially liable to abuse by the unscrupulous, and can be exceptionally insidious when so abused. "Moral restraint" in its production and consumption is certainly necessary to avoid either presenting or being confronted with likely occasions of sin. But reasonable Catholic opinion will not insist on equating "restraint" with an absolute ban on nudity, violence, profanity, and so forth.
[b] The Vatican film list[/b]

A concrete example of the standards of [i]Inter Mirifica[/i] applied to particular films is available in another Vatican document: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/vaticanfilmlist.html"]the 1995 Vatican film list[/url]. This list, published by the Pontifical Council for Social Communications in commemoration of the centenary of cinema, enumerates 45 "important films," each noted for exceptional value in one of the three areas of "Religion," "Values," and "Art" (fifteen films in each area).
Titled simply "Some Important Films," this document is not meant to offer a set of definitive or magisterial "top fifteen" lists, nor to establish these particular films as definitely more worthwhile than any film that was not included. "Not all that deserve mention are included," the pontifical council acknowledged in releasing the list.
For those who insist on a rigorist approach to film, though, it’s hard to see how some of these films could be deemed "deserving" of special note at all, except as films to [i]avoid[/i]. Nudity, sexual content, obscene or profane language, and explicit violence can all be found in films on this list. Some of the films also examine faith or religion with a questioning or even skeptical eye, or depict Church authorities in a negative light. Yet all demonstrate a level of restraint that distinguishes them from morally unworthy productions that pose a likely occasion of sin for viewers.
Take nudity and sexual content. In some of these films, nudity is depicted in a nonsexual way, as when [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/schindlerslist.html"][i]Schindler’s List[/i][/url] depicts concentration-camp inmates forced to cower naked in the courtyard or in shower rooms. Some of the prisoners are old and decrepit; some are shapeless and dumpy; all are terrified and milling about. These scenes are not the least bit erotic or prurient — quite the contrary. They elicit pity and horror, not lust. Although they contain full frontal nudity, they cannot remotely be considered likely occasions of sin.
Another example of nonsexual nudity can be found in [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/mission.html"][i]The Mission[/i][/url], which depicts the native Guaraní of South America with what the U.S. bishops Office of Film and Broadcasting has helpfully termed "ethnographic nudity" — that is, the sort of nudity required to depict certain cultures, such as one finds in [i]National Geographic[/i]. Specifically, the Guaraní women wear no tops, and Guaraní of both sexes wear loincloths that display their buttocks.
By its nature, the everyday nudity in [i]The Mission[/i] is both more pervasive and less distressing than that in [i]Schindler’s List[/i]. Yet [i]The Mission[/i] is no more prurient or exploitative than [i]Schindler’s List[/i]. A typical viewer will no more be incited to lust by this film than by [i]National Geographic[/i]. In fact, [i]The Mission[/i] received a tame PG rating (not even PG-13) from the MPAA.
This is not to say that that [i]The Mission[/i] couldn’t possibly present [i]anyone[/i] with an occasion of sin. Certain people may be more vulnerable on this point than others — for example, adolescent boys, who can be so combustible that they might find prurient interest even in [i]National Geographic[/i], or in the Renaissance wing of an art museum. But for most viewers, the nudity in [i]The Mission[/i] shouldn’t present any particular moral obstacle to viewing the film.
Not all the nudity in the films of the Vatican list is nonsexual. Sexual nudity, sexually explicit dialogue, and depictions of sexual activity can also be found in [i]Schindler’s List[/i], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/dekalog.html"][i]The Decalogue[/i][/url], [i]Andrei Rublev[/i], and others.
Some films on the list are practically catalogues of disturbing, immoral, or otherwise problematic behavior necessary to their theme or purpose. [i]Andrei Rublev[/i], set in medieval Russia, is full of poetic imagery, moral and existential questions, and religious themes. But its imagery can be disturbing: There is a restrained depiction of a ritual pagan sex orgy, with nude pagans running through the forest and coupling on the ground; a naked witch sensuously kissing an Orthodox priest bound cruciform; a horrifying scene of pillaging and warfare that includes footage of a live cow on fire; a bawdy jester who displays an upside-down human face drawn on his buttocks while walking on his hands; and an instance of an extremely strong and offensive four-syllable obscenity. Another "Religion" honoree from the same director, [i]The Sacrifice[/i], includes a poetic, non-explicit sequence depicting a man having sex with a witch (levitating in midair above the bed) in order to avert the end of the world.
Another Vatican list honoree, [i]The Decalogue[/i], consists of ten unsettling one-hour films loosely themed around the Ten Commandments. One episode deals with incestuous attraction between a widowed father and the teenaged daughter who may or not be his. Another includes explicit dialogue regarding female sexuality in a scene in which a promiscuous woman seduces a young voyeur who has been watching her through a telescope. Still another involves a drawn-out, grisly murder. It should be noted that [i]The Decalogue[/i] is not a collection of morality tales, not an apologia for the commandments. The work is concerned with provoking moral thought in the viewer, but not with upholding a specific moral code.
Not all of the films on the list are as difficult and challenging as these. Films such as [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/wizardofoz.html"][i]The Wizard of Oz[/i][/url], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/littlewomen1933.html"][i]Little Women[/i] (1933)[/url], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/fantasia.html"][i]Fantasia[/i][/url], and [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/itsawonderfullife.html"][i]It’s a Wonderful Life[/i][/url] are also honored. This is not a list for expert theologians or professional critics only, and popular films as well as highbrow films are acknowledged as humane art.
In honoring certain difficult and challenging works, however, the Vatican clearly means for viewers to watch these films in a mature and judicious spirit, not passively imbibing everything for entertainment’s sake, but critically evaluating what they see and hear in light of the fullness of Catholic teaching.
This is in keeping with the teaching of [i]Inter Mirifica[/i], which exhorts all who use the media to "endeavor to deepen their understanding of what they see, hear or read" and "learn to pass sound judgements" regarding them (IM 10). While noting that primary moral responsibility for the proper use of the media falls to those who produce and distribute it — as well as to critics who inform the public (IM 11) — the decree also calls for "audiences of different cultural backgrounds and ages" to be instructed in "the proper use of the media" (IM 16).
[b] An imperfect world[/b]

The rigorist rejection of all films that contain anything in any way offensive often seems to imply that merely [i]watching[/i] a film is tantamount to [i]approving of[/i] everything in the film. "You wouldn’t eat something that had even a little bit of arsenic mixed in it, would you?" they ask, implying that whatever is in a film gets imbibed along with everything else.
One reply to this objection might be that if it comes to that, people [i]do[/i] consume trace amounts of arsenic all the time, and are quite right to do so. Tap water, for example, commonly contains some level of arsenic, but as long as the level is low enough, it does no harm to drink the water — on the contrary, it does great good, since we need water to live, and even slightly arsenic-tainted water can sustain and preserve life. Experts might quibble about exactly how much arsenic in drinking water is acceptable, but none argues that the only acceptable level is zero.
But a better reply might be to change the analogy. One can enjoy a tasty rib dinner at a decent restaurant while leaving inedible bits of gristle on the plate. One can appreciate a pastor’s generally excellent homily while mentally bracketing a dubious speculation or unfortunate phrasing. One can enjoy the company of one’s neighbors while deliberately overlooking or forbearing with their petty faults.
Of course it’s also true that some friends, some churches, and some diets would do you more harm than good. We have to be discriminating. We want wholesome society, a good church, healthy food. But the standard of what is wholesome or good or healthy can never be "absolute perfection." If a man insisted on perfect friends, a perfect church, and perfect food, he would die friendless, unchurched, and quickly.
Like all things human, films and other works of art and culture are subject to limitations, imperfections, and flaws. Some are so flawed that they are unwholesome and should be avoided. But a thing can be basically wholesome without necessarily being perfect.
As an example, consider the family film [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/babe.html"][i]Babe[/i][/url], a delightful film with no potential drawbacks other than a few scenes of menace that might frighten the very young and very sensitive, and a single line in which the farm couple’s city-slicker son-in-law ends a sentence with the phrase "for Christ’s sake."
Profanity is always wrong, but of course we make characters in stories do all sorts of bad things without necessarily approving of them, and profanity is no exception. In principle, an actor can recite a line involving profanity without being personally profane, just as a Christian actor playing St. Peter on Holy Thursday might swear that he has never heard of Jesus, or indeed as faithful Catholics all over the world on Good Friday utter the damning line, "We have no king but Caesar." This kind of sin is a matter of intention, not just syllables, and an actor who says "for Christ’s sake" is not necessarily profane.
That’s not to say that profanity in drama is neither here nor there. It can be morally objectionable, especially if used gratuitously or in a way likely to contribute to its casual acceptance in society.
Is the brief profanity in [i]Babe[/i] justified or unjustified? It might be argued, on the one hand, that the line underscores a cultural divide between the farm couple and their callow son-in-law. On the other hand, it might be answered that this point doesn’t justify the use of profanity in a family film of this sort.
Let’s assume the latter view, that the line is gratuitous and unjustified. [i]Babe[/i] is, then, an imperfect film. It would be better if that objectionable line had been omitted. But does this one line make the difference between a wholesome film and an unacceptable one? Does it neutralize Babe’s positive themes of treating others with courtesy and respect, overcoming prejudices, facing challenges, and so forth? Would the world be better off had this movie never been made?
No. That would be the same kind of thinking that would result in refusal to enjoy the company of imperfect people, to attend an imperfect church, to or eat imperfect food. That’s no way to live.




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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-9/4"]Re: The Legion of Decency[/url][/b]
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Going back to 1936, a Jesuit priest named Father Daniel Lord SJ founded the Legion of Decency. It was very successful in keeping the film industry making decent films. Every year on the feast of Christ the King every Catholic church had its parishioners take the pledge to avoid going to indecent movies. Why don’t we bring back the Legion of Decency?[/indent]
The Legion of Decency was founded in 1933. Fr. Lord did not found it, although he supported its work, as did Pius XI. Fr. Lord did cowrite the 1930 Production Code, which governed Hollywood morality from 1934 until its eventual demise in 1967, when it was replaced by the MPAA age-based ratings system.
Prior to the Legion, American Catholic film criticism operated on a “white list” basis, meaning that approved films were positively reviewed, but problematic films were simply ignored rather than “black listed.” The Legion changed this by classifying movies for moral and age appropriateness including condemning movies considered unacceptable. Countless Catholics vowed to avoid films classified as condemned, and sympathetic non-Catholics including Protestants, Jews and even atheists supported the work.
Fearing organized Catholic boycotts, Hollywood finally agreed to a system of strictly enforced moral self-censorship, and in 1934 the major studios established the Production Code Administration, which worked with studios as films were being developed and issued a seal of approval to finished films that were judged to meet the moral standards of the Production Code. The PCA was headed from 1934 to 1954 by Hollywood insider and Jesuit-trained Catholic Joseph I. Breen.
Cracks in the system began to appear from the post-war years onward. The rise of foreign film and independent theaters showed that it was possible to make and distribute movies without the PCA seal — and such films might have considerable artistic or even moral substance while treating subject matter in ways not permitted by the Code. With changing social mores, the line between violations of morality and violations of decorum became harder to find.
The effort to apply moral concerns in an objective, codifiable way, whether by the PCA or the Legion, was always problematic. Breen had strong ideas about what was and wasn’t acceptable, and while I think there’s a lot to be said for his approach, there were also flaws.
In the 1960s the Legion of Decency was absorbed into the US bishops conference, and eventually became the Office for Film and Broadcasting as we know it today. It still carries on the work of classifying movies for moral and age-based appropriateness, including classifying some films as morally offensive. The fundamental difference is that these decisions are no longer considered binding on individual Catholics, as they once were at least for those Catholics who took an annual vow to avoid offensive films — meaning, of course, films condemned by the Legion.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-8/15"]Re: ClearPlay[/url][/b]
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What do you think of the ClearPlay DVD and membership system?[/indent]
The ClearPlay system differs from the approach pioneered by CleanFlix and similar services in that it does not physically edit or alter movie media such as DVDs, but uses customized filtering routines to skip designated portions of films. ClearPlay editors create the filtering routines for each film, tagging potentially objectionable material under various categories which viewers can customize according to their own preferences.
Legally, this system has been upheld as consistent with copyright law, in contrast to the CleanFlix approach, which was successfully sued for copyright violations by Hollywood filmmakers.
Artistically, it’s a grey area. Some feel that a film should be seen as the filmmakers intended or not at all. While this argument may be weakened somewhat by existing editing practices for network television and the like, such edits are usually authorized by the studio which has negotiated these rights with the filmmakers. Third-party censors producing editing viewing experiences without any agreement with the filmmakers or studios strikes some as problematic.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-8/17"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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I recently stumbled onto your website, and I absolutely love it. Although I come from a slightly different background — I’m a politically liberal Jew — I love your perspective on movies. I especially enjoy the fact that you grade a movie’s morals not on its actual violence/nudity content, but the message that it’s sending out — that’s unusual for a Christian review site, and I think it’s much more honest.
I’m wondering if you could post a couple of reviews of some of my favorite flicks. First order of business is definitely [i]Chinatown[/i], that gorgeously constructed neo-noir that some critics consider to be cinematically flawless (it’s hard to argue with) and is one of my all-time favorites. I’m surprised you haven’t already reviewed it, since you already have a couple of Polanski entries here. I also would love to know what you think of [i]Fargo[/i]. It’s my favorite Coen Brothers movie; despite the violence, I think it’s warmly empathetic, very funny, and even morally sound (and Frances McDormand is amazing in it). I’d love to know what you think of these two. Thanks for all the great work. Keep it up![/indent]
It’s especially gratifying for a writer to be heard at any sort of distance or from a different point of view. Although I write from a particular perspective, I would hate to think that my work addresses only a narrow spectrum of opinion or belief.
There are, alas, a great many crucial films that I have never reviewed, although I may be getting to a few of them sooner rather than later. An upcoming DVD edition of the [i]Godfather[/i] films will probably provide the impetus to finally take on that challenge. And while [i]Chinatown[/i] will, alas, probably remain in Decent Films limbo for the foreseeable future, by a strange coincidence I was contemplating a [i]Fargo[/i] review just this morning, in part perhaps by way of offering further commentary on [i]No Country for Old Men[/i] (which I’ve written about but not reviewed). I will take your email as another straw in the wind leaning in that direction.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-5/36"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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I’ve read several reviews and I’d like to say that they are all particularly well written. I’d like to commend you on that. I’m emailing you now, I suppose, with a couple questions about being a Christian and a film buff (much like me).
The past few days, I’ve been sort of re-evaluating what I deem acceptable in movies when it comes to violence, profanity, etc. Normally, I’d jump at the chance to see the recent mindless action movie or, with a few exceptions, the most recent pointless comedy.
I guess my dilemma all started a couple days ago when I saw the movie [i]Brain Dead[/i]. It’s an older zombie comedy movie with gratuitous gore by Peter Jackson before [i]LOTR[/i] made him famous. I became aware by the end of the movie that something happened that didn’t happen before. The usual enjoyment and sometimes laughter at the over the top gore wasn’t there anymore. Sure, I laughed during the movie, but by the end, I couldn’t laugh about it before.
The problem is, though I know that I take my Catholic faith very seriously, I feel as though I’m doing God a disservice by appreciating and enjoying films that promote these types of materials. I have a fairly large film collection (about 200 movies). Though only about 5–7% of them are considered objectionable, I’m not entirely sure what to do. I mostly own action movies ([i]Die Hard[/i], [i]Terminator[/i], etc.) comedies ([i]Monty Python and the Holy Grail[/i], [i]Blazing Saddles[/i]) and a few horror movies ([i]Saw[/i], [i]28 Days/Weeks Later[/i], zombie movies)
By watching movies that contain these materials, am I offending God in the process? When evaluating movies for you, how do you know when you’ve crossed the line between good entertainment and something that’s negative for the soul?[/indent]
You raise some good questions, and I’m gratified by the seriousness with which you are considering these issues.
I haven’t seen some of the films you mention, but in principle I can think of several possible reasons why someone watching a film he has always enjoyed might find himself reacting differently to it as you have.
It’s certainly the case that growing and maturing in one’s faith can alter one’s sensibilities and reactions are no longer the same. It’s also true that one’s tastes and sensibilities in general change over time. Whether for faith-related reasons or other reasons, it’s not uncommon to find ourselves outgrowing our previous tastes in movies, music, books, clothes and so forth — and acquiring new tastes that previously might have held little interest for us.
This isn’t necessarily to denigrate the tastes of youth (though sometimes they should be). It’s simply to say that we aren’t the same person at 25 that we are at 15, or at 45 that we are at 35, etc. Not that we are totally different either — much of what we enjoyed or disliked in our youth may be with us throughout our lives — but when and where this doesn’t happen, it may simply suggest that it’s time to move on, to enjoy other things. This doesn’t necessarily mean we need regret our previous tastes and experiences — although again in certain cases we should.
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-7/58"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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It’s a shame and sad that you have so much knowledge and intelligence that you aren’t entertained by simple movies like the rest of us. I feel sorry for you. Well at least you get paid for what you do, I guess that’s what counts. Your reviews miss the point quite often. But it’s fun reading your reviews. Just like watching movies — it entertaining, that’s all.[/indent]
Let me tell you a story.
Two men are at a wine tasting, and try three vintages from three different tables. The first man enjoys all three.
The second man enjoys the first drink, the same as the first man. But when they get to the second table, he demurs: “It’s flabby. Nothing special. A little short on the finish.” At this, the second says, “It’s a shame you have so much knowledge that you can’t enjoy a simple drink like the rest of us.”
Then they try the third vintage, which the first man enjoys every bit as much as he did the first. This time, though, the second man goes nuts. He’s rhapsodizing about finesse, breeding, balance, hints of this and that, etc. He is in a transport of joy.
Which man do you think enjoyed the wine tasting more?
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[b] Mail: [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-3/66"]Re: Decent Films[/url][/b]
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I would like to thank you for your ministry! It has been helpful for me in deciding what to show my children. I have an unrelated question for you that you may or may not know the answer to. My niece told us about a website (Shows4me.com) that offers free videos, have you heard of this site. My concern would be if this is considered pirating, I looked at the site, it has everything imaginable. I thank you in advance for your response. May God continue to bless your ministry.[/indent]
As far as I can tell, Shows4me.com doesn’t actually host movie and TV show files, but rather provides links to other websites, such as www.tv-links.co.uk, where such content has been posted.
At least much of this content, if not all, is pirated, i.e., it has been illegally recorded and/or posted for public consumption. Some of the movies will have been secretly recorded via hand-held camera in a movie theater; other offerings may have been copied from DVDs, TiVo’ed or obtained from a legal source but then illicitly posted on the Web.
Entertainment piracy is a form of theft, and thus a violation of the seventh commandment. Sites that offer pirated content should be avoided; we should stick to legal ways of obtaining and viewing content. This usually means we will have to pay for it in some form or other, which is only fair (“The laborer deserves his wages”).
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Does a moral-spiritual value of +4/-4 mean the moral value is 4 and the spiritual value is 4? I have been thinking of them as separate, e.g. moral/spiritual. I have a hard time rationalizing how a movie can have a moral-spiritual rating of +4/-2 if both numbers relate to the same attribute.
Except for my confusion I like your ratings and use them to help select weekly movies for the Christian retirement community where I live.[/indent]
Like many critics, I don’t really like ratings. They’re a convenience to the reader as a quick index of the critic’s opinion, but sometimes readers seem to regard the rating as the ultimate verdict on the film, and the review as the accompanying opinion clarifying or justifying the rating.
There are really too many ways for a movie to be variously good or bad, or both at the same time, for any ratings system to do justice to any film worth discussing. In my ratings system, I’ve tried to strike a balance between the complexities of what makes a film worthwhile or not and the built-in limitations of any ratings scheme.
“Moral-spiritual value” in my system is is an umbrella category, not two separate criteria. The reason for split ratings like +3/-2 is that it is often not possible to consider the moral-spiritual significance of a film as “good” or “bad” in an undifferentiated way. Movies often combine significant positive and negative elements, both of which demand to be acknowledged in their own right.
For example, I gave [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/juno.html"][i]Juno[/i][/url] a split +3/-2 rating. On the +3 side, I found [i]Juno[/i]’s strikingly pro-life resonances worthy of enthusiastic acknowledgment. On the other hand, the rather uncritical treatment of teen sexual activity, divorce and remarriage and the sheer crudity of the first half-hour in particular add a problematic element to the film.
For the record, I believe the widest split rating for any Decent Films review is for Ingmar Bergman’s [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/seventhseal.html"][i]The Seventh Seal[/i][/url], which I called at +3/-3. On the one hand, the film’s intense spiritual thirst, moral conflict and religious awareness are profoundly humanistic and worthwhile; on the other hand, Bergman seems to point away from religion in various ways.
The ratings at either extreme, +4 and -4, are intended to express a degree of praise or censure that is unqualified, and I don’t believe I have ever mitigated them with a contrasting rating. Thus, no actual movie would have the example you give,+4/-2.
Hope that makes some sense.
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I happen to enjoy your ratings and frequently find my taste agreeing! I would love it if there were some way to sort your ratings by Grade/Moral value so that I can look for movies to see that are recommended, instead of having to read through all the archives.[/indent]
There is! Go to the [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/search"]Search page[/url] (the link next to the search field). There you can sort reviews by ranges of any given criteria: recommendability, artistic-entertainment rating, moral-spiritual rating, age appropriateness, year of release, genre, USCCB rating, MPAA rating, and other criteria.
There are also quick searches in the leftnav offering top recommendations in various genres, top-recommended films, most morally-spiritually significant films, and even a couple of categories for non-recommended films (if you’re interested in negative reviews). Thanks for your interest.
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The Pope’s address which spoke of violence in movies — does this mean we are not now permitted to watch certain movies that have a certain kind of violence?[/indent]
I’m not sure whether this is the address you mean, but in his [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/communications/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20070124_41st-world-communications-day_en.html"]2007 message for World Communications Day[/url] Benedict XVI decried “programmes and products — including animated films and video games — which in the name of entertainment exalt violence and portray anti-social behaviour or the trivialization of human sexuality is a perversion, all the more repulsive when these programmes are directed at children and adolescents.” The pope went on to say, “I appeal to the leaders of the media industry to educate and encourage producers to safeguard the common good, to uphold the truth, to protect individual human dignity and promote respect for the needs of the family.”
The Holy Father does not criticize all media presentations that include violence — or sexuality — but those that [i]exalt[/i] violence or [i]trivialize[/i] human sexuality, especially when they are targeted at youth.
He also qualifies his comments with the important phrase “in the name of entertainment.” Where violence or sexuality is served up as entertainment, human dignity is demeaned. But entertainment is not the sole function of film. For example, films can also challenge, inspire and educate.
Appropriate depictions of violence which put it in its true moral light — which either highlight the evil of wrongful violence, or depict morally legitimate violence employed to resist evil — do not exalt violence in the way that the Holy Father has in mind, and may aim to do more than just entertain. (This is not to demean entertainment in itself.) Within moral limits, depictions of sexuality may also serve legitimate artistic purposes, though here as with violence restraint is needed to avoid appealing to base desires and offering occasions of sin, as per [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19631204_inter-mirifica_en.html"][i]Inter Mirifica[/i][/url] 7.
Pope Benedict’s mention of “animated films” might be confusing to some Americans because Hollywood doesn’t produce the kind of animated films the pope has in mind. However, the Holy Father is likely aware of the ultraviolent and sexual content not uncommon in Japanese anime. Unfortunately, Americans do have more familiarity with the sort of video games to which the Holy Father refers, e.g., in the [i]Grand Theft Auto[/i] series.
Not all movies with violent or sexual content exalt or trivialize acts demeaning to human dignity. For example, the [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/articles/vaticanfilmlist.html"]1995 Vatican film list[/url] honors a number of films that include violent and/or sexual content, but do so in a way that does not exalt violence or trivialize sexuality. [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wall-e.html"][i]Schindler’s List[/i][/url] is a well-known example; other relevant examples include [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/andreirublev.html"][i]Andrei Rublev[/i][/url], [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/mission.html"][i]The Mission[/i][/url] and [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/dekalog.html"][i]The Decalogue[/i][/url].
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I would like to know a list of movies suitable for kids under five.[/indent]
Here are some of my favorite movies for children under five. These are general recommendations; for kids under five you need to know your own kid. I recommend watching the movie ahead of time. Most of these have something or other that some sensitive children may have trouble with; I’ve noted a few obvious points below.[list]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/myneighbortotoro.html"][i]My Neighbor Totoro[/i][/url] (1982)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wall-e.html"][i]WALL-E[/i][/url] (2008)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/bambi.html"][i]Bambi[/i][/url] (1942) — tense scenes include the thunderstorm, the dogs and the fire, and of course the loss of Bambi’s mother.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/fantasia.html"][i]Fantasia[/i][/url] (1940) — the “Rite of Spring” dinos may be too scary; definitely skip the “Bald Mountain” sequence for now.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/babe.html"][i]Babe[/i][/url] (1995) — a few tense scenes of animal menace.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/findingnemo.html"][i]Finding Nemo[/i][/url] (2003) — watch out for the scary sharks.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/kikisdeliveryservice.html"][i]Kiki’s Delivery Service[/i][/url] (1989)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/peterpan2000.html"][i]Peter Pan[/i][/url] (2000) — this is the Cathy Rigby stage version, [i]not[/i] the Disney cartoon.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/storyoftheweepingcamel.html"][i]The Story of the Weeping Camel[/i][/url] (2003)
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/atlantis1991.html"][i]Atlantis (1991)[/i][/url] — an undersea documentary, not to be confused with the 2001 Disney film.
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/manyadventuresofpooh.html"][i]The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh[/i][/url] (1973)
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Also highly recommended in non-feature viewing:[list]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/peterrabbitcollection.html"]“The World of Peter Rabbit & Friends” / “The Beatrix Potter Collection”[/url]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wallaceandgromit2001.html"]Aardman stuff[/url]: “Wallace & Gromit: Three Amazing Adventures” and Shaun the Sheep (“Off the Baa,” “Back in the Ba-a-ath”)
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Hope that helps.
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Is it a sin to watch a film with nudity/partial nudity if you’re not watching the film to see the nudity, and the nudity does not cause you to sin?[/indent]
Your question reminds me of the wise priest who said, “The Catholic Church teaches authoritatively, has always taught authoritatively, and will always teach authoritatively, that the visual arts … are a grey area.”
I’ve written about nudity in film before, notably in “[url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/sections/articles/decentfilms.html"]What Are the Decent Films?[/url]”
Whether nudity in a film causes the viewer to sin is, of course, the chief issue, though not the only issue. There is also the dignity of the actors to be considered. Gratuitous or exploitative nudity is always wrong, at least for the filmmakers.
While the presence of some morally problematic content does not necessarily make a movie morally unwatchable for the viewer, it isn’t something to take lightly, and of course the more prominently problematic content is featured in a film, the more of an obstacle it becomes.
Incidentally, actual nudity isn’t the only issue here. Lascivious displays involving more or less clothed bodies are also contrary to human dignity.
That said, Catholic moral theology does not support the conclusion that all nudity in art, including cinema, must always be considered morally wrong, or that Catholics must always avoid all art that includes such nudity, even if that nudity is at times morally problematic.
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I am the Dean of Students at a small Catholic college in Canada. Our students are required to “get permission” to watch movies in order to help with the discernment of wheather or not it is appropriate for viewing in community. We have been hoping to compile a list of movies, mostly modern ones (last 25 years) that are pre-approved, such as the ones recommended on your website. Is there such a list that you wouldn’t mind sharing with us? I would be most grateful for your assistance.[/indent]
Who is responsible for approving or not approving movies? I can’t predict what movies would or wouldn’t meet with the approval of a given authority, although I could propose possible candidates.
As a place to start, you might try searching via the Decent Films search page on movies from 1985 and later, rated for teens and up or less restrictive, with a rating of B or higher. At this writing [url="http://decentfilms.com/sections/search?year_from=1985&overall=B&overall_modifier=%3E%3D&age=T&age_modifier=%3E%3D&search=Search"]that search[/url] currently yields 252 results.
You can also try other custom searches on genre (e.g., religious themes) and moral-spiritual value.
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I appreciate your reviews and hear on Al Kresta and the EWTN programs. I receive a boycott list of companies who give money to Planned Parenthood. One of these is Disney. I understand in your position you have to review these movies and pay to see them. But what about the Catholic viewer? I don’t go to these movies because of this. I also understand we are given little choice. I boycott Chinese goods but have to sometimes buy them because I have no choice. I would like your opinion.[/indent]
Actually, I generally don’t pay to see the movies I review. As a critic, I’m invited by the studios to advance screenings. I also receive DVD screeners of many of the movies I review for DVD release.
In the case of [i]Up[/i], however, I cheerfully paid full price to bring my entire family to see the film after it opened, and would gladly do so again. Disney’s corporate support for Planned Parenthood would not sway me.
This may mean that a tiny fraction of our ticket money may ultimately become a tiny bit of the money Disney contributes to Planned Parenthood. However, the much larger and more immediate effect of buying those tickets is to add to the success of a morally and culturally deserving family film, as well as the success of Pixar, far and away the most consistent force for morally and culturally deserving family entertainment in Hollywood. (For what it’s worth, Pete Docter, the director of [i]Up[/i], is a professing Christian. So, apparently, is Andrew Stanton, director of [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/wall-e.html"][i]WALL-E[/i][/url].)
The more successful a wholesome movie like [i]Up[/i] is, the more people it will reach both in theatrical release and on DVD, and the more people will benefit from its moral and artistic excellence. Beyond that, the more successful the filmmakers are with films like this, the more leverage and incentive they will have to keep on producing more deserving family entertainment. Not only that, their success also continues to challenge other studios, on the basis of self-interest if nothing else, to seek to win the same audiences with similarly deserving content.
Not incidentally, we also help to pay the salaries of many hard-working people, from the employees at the local cineplex to all the people who worked on the film. Most of all, we enrich our lives and the lives of our children.
On the whole then, society is much more benefited than harmed by people buying tickets to deserving movies like [i]Up[/i]. As regards boycotting, I think that a boycott is most effective in the case of a corporation where consumers have the choice of patronizing competitors offering more or less comparable goods and services. Movies are all so different from each other that I think the best way to impact the culture is to support good movies and avoid bad movies, regardless who makes them.
All acts have some negative effects if you follow them far enough. You can boycott Disney if you want to, but consider that half the products in your house probably advertise on ABC, which means at least some of your money goes to Disney anyway! That’s a very remote effect, though, compared to the more immediate positive benefit your purchase represents both to you, the manufacturer and the retailer. Thus, sound moral theology permits such purchases.
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Where’s your list of the most spiritually significant movies? Loved it.[/indent]
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[*][url="http://artsandfaith.com/t100/"]The Arts & Faith Top 100 spiritually significant films[/url] (this is the most recent list, from 2006; a new list for 2010 is about to be announced).
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/search?moral=3&moral_modifier=%3E%3D&search=Search"]The most spiritually significant films I’ve reviewed at Decent Films[/url]
[*][url="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/movies/commentaries/2010/tenredeemingfilmsof2009.html"]The Christianity Today Top 10 redeeming films of 2009[/url]
[*][url="http://www.decentfilms.com/articles/2009-in-review"]My own top 10/20 for 2009[/url] (not necessarily “spiritual” films)
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My gosh, do you have any idea how amazing I feel finding this site? As a Catholic rediscovering her faith and using the internet to reconnect with many Catholics, I’ve come across many people who are very intolerant of “frivolous” art. As an artist myself, I just love a good piece of fiction, and felt so torn at such comments. I thought for sure my enjoyment of a compelling film was going to send me to hell! But reading through your site has been a wonderful eye-opener!
I’ve been giving extra thought to what I view since coming back to the Church, and have trimmed several unruly branches from my film collection, and your reviews are good to use as a guideline, even if I’m somewhat surprised! ([i]Happy Feet[/i], for example. It makes me overbubbly with cuteness and joy to watch)
My question lies with movies given a minus-4 in morality. If labeled minus-4, does it make the film morally wrong to watch? Does it put it on the list of films that cross the line and shouldn’t be viewed? For example, I greatly enjoy the film [i]V for Vendetta[/i], despite its [i]many[/i] flaws, because I found the characters very powerful and moving, and loved trying to get into their heads, find their motivation, feel what they were feeling. And I saw that on artistic merit, you rated it highly. But, does being given such a morally inept show make it morally wrong to have enjoyed it? Such as when the USCCBA gives a film an O rating? (I’ve been told that films rated O shouldn’t be seen because we’d be supporting the making of a corrupt film).[/indent]
I’m gratified that you’ve found my work helpful, and doubly so that it’s been a part of your reappropriation of your faith.
The moral-spiritual ratings, like the other ratings, are only a quick index of my opinion, representing my response to the film in question. The ratings are less important than the point of view and the arguments presented in the review itself. Even then, the point of view and the arguments of the review represents my opinion and my response to the film. Other people may have different responses which may be equally valid.
That’s not to say that different responses are always equally good, or that none are more adequate or insightful than another. But I don’t automatically assume that my response is better than a reader’s response; the reverse may easily be the case. And it’s not always a matter of better or worse. Tastes differ from one person to another, and often vary with age, experience, state in life and other circumstances. My taste in movies today is different from ten years ago when I started Decent Films, and certainly from 20 years ago. I don’t necessarily decry my 20-year-old taste, but I write as the man I am, even if my experience of the man I was broadens my perspective. Of course, my perspective is necessarily limited by other experiences I haven’t had, if you follow me.
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I was wondering if you could clear up something that has been weighing on my mind heavily for some time now. In an online discussion a while back, a woman stated that if we want to go to Heaven, we listen to the saints, and if we want to go to hell, we listen to anyone else. She went on to say that since saints didn’t watch movies, neither should we, because we will go to hell. This is the same woman who said no one under the age of thirty should be allowed to read the Song of Songs, but I can’t get her words out of my head.[/indent]
Here is what to say when you hear her words in your head. First of all, the correct dictum is not “If we want to go to Heaven, we listen to the saints.” The saints themselves are the first to tell us that the correct dictum is: “If we want to go to Heaven, we listen to the [i]Church[/i].”
For nearly a century the Church has proclaimed that cinema, like all forms of art and communication, is a gift: one that can be used properly to great advantage, or improperly to great harm. Popes Pius XI and Pius XII, the Vatican II decree [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19631204_inter-mirifica_en.html"]Inter Mirifica[/url] and the pastoral instruction [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/pccs/documents/rc_pc_pccs_doc_23051971_communio_en.html"]Communio et Progressio[/url] have all addressed the relevant moral issues.
Pope Pius XII’s addresses on the [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-xii_exh_25101955_ideal-film_en.html"]Ideal Film[/url] begins with open admiration for the technical and artistic achievements of just a few decades, highlighting the cinema’s capacity to bring viewers to imaginary worlds and distant realities. “Most noble” in itself, the Holy Father declared, cinema is at once “so apt to uplift or degrade men, and so quick to produce good or spread evil.”
While there is certainly a clear element of caution in the Church’s teaching, absolutely nothing justifies the conclusion that the Church wishes Catholics to abstain entirely from movies, and that if we do not we will go to hell. Catholic moral theology absolutely will not sustain this thesis.
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I’ve just found out that any form of willed sexual arousal outside of marriage is a grave sin. I have been a Catholic all of my 36 years and counting and I’ve never been informed. I was aghast at first and questioned the truth of it but after a little research [url="http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=476160&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2008&Author=&Keyword=petting&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=3&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at="]it seems it’s true[/url].
So, my question is whether this moves the goalposts regarding what is acceptable to watch in a movie. For example I would have have enjoyed watching a passionate kiss between unmarried men and women but would have averted

[tinytherese]

Sorry for the double post.

And on another note, the Bible isn't rated G either, especially the Old Testament: adultery, rape, polygamy, incest, prostitution, murder, etc. [font="Times New Roman"][size="3"][color="#000000"] [/color][/size][/font]

[eagle_eye222001]

Hide under the bed. It's a dangerous world out there.

[tinytherese]

Never mind.

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[Spem in alium]

I think it's important to be discerning. It's good to be challenged, but not in a way that can easily provoke us to sin. A lot of television can do that - and movies, too.

I don't watch much television - it doesn't really interest me. I only make time for about two regular shows, and don't even watch the news much anymore. One show I watch does contradict Catholic teaching in parts. For the most part, I accept it as entertainment - and turn off the TV when I see fit.

I guess it just depends on where we are willing and able to draw the line.

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[quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1337895761' post='2434504']
Sorry for the double post.

And on another note, the Bible isn't rated G either, especially the Old Testament: adultery, rape, polygamy, incest, prostitution, murder, etc. [font=Times New Roman][size=3][color=#000000] [/color][/size][/font]
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please tell me your not equating the bible to shows like desperate housewives. one is Gods word andsince Gid is completely good nothing in the bible is bad for us to read. i would argue the vast and i mean vast majority of tv shows are not good for us to watch.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1337877409' post='2434419']
please don't defend colbert on here as a good example of a catholic. i see alot of people in here do it. just because he mentions his catholic faith in a positive light some times does not excuse the other things he does on his show. if anything his show brings a negative view of catholics to the general public. yeah he's catholic and he puts that out there but the way he acts on his show isnot catholic and it makes people think wrongly about the way a catholic should act.
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What part of "far from a perfect Catholic" means the same thing as "good Catholic"? And what part of getting a very liberal, very secular group of people to cheer for something the Pope wrote is a bad thing? I'm talking about an extremely isolated incident as an example of a tiny ray of good in what would otherwise be a cesspool of immorality. I'm not going to argue with you about the morality of the Colbert Report. All I am arguing for is for people to consider the possible good things in tv shows that aren't Catholic, and to not just write something off because it doesn't appear to be something that would be shown on EWTN.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1337930421' post='2434658']
please tell me your not equating the bible to shows like desperate housewives. one is Gods word andsince Gid is completely good nothing in the bible is bad for us to read. i would argue the vast and i mean vast majority of tv shows are not good for us to watch.
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Sure, but you can't write off any kind of entertainment as evil just because it includes the depiction of a sinful act. Because that's hypocritical, because the bible is full of depictions of sinful acts.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1337956436' post='2434695']
Sure, but you can't write off any kind of entertainment as evil just because it includes the depiction of a sinful act. Because that's hypocritical, because the bible is full of depictions of sinful acts.
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well if that's the case i guess you can' write off shows that essentially have softcore porn. showing two people unmarried getting all up in each others business.

there are shows we can easily dismiss as sinful. if they have things which go against our faith. obviously the degree's are different. although its pretty easy to say shows that support gay marriage, abortion, pre-marital sex and so on are not good for us. most of the shows make no issues with these things other than support for them. it would be different if they showed thenegatives of themandhad redemption involved in these storylines but they usually don't.

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[havok579257]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1337956359' post='2434694']
What part of "far from a perfect Catholic" means the same thing as "good Catholic"? And what part of getting a very liberal, very secular group of people to cheer for something the Pope wrote is a bad thing? I'm talking about an extremely isolated incident as an example of a tiny ray of good in what would otherwise be a cesspool of immorality. I'm not going to argue with you about the morality of the Colbert Report. All I am arguing for is for people to consider the possible good things in tv shows that aren't Catholic, and to not just write something off because it doesn't appear to be something that would be shown on EWTN.
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there are good things in shows and movies. although just because a show has one positive note on catholic faith does not make it a good or even praise worthy show. i would argue a Colbert is worse for the catholic faith then positive. he puts it out there, his faith but then acts a certain way that is not a good example of being a catholic and so the general audiance thinks, ok this is how catholics act. at least shows that don't mention catholic faith don't mislead people into think something wrong about the catholic faith. its the same with pelosi or biden. one time biden wore ash's on his head. praise worthy? well look what else he does. he supports gay marriage and abortion. he makes people think catholics can support abortion and gay marriage. it would be better if he didn't announce his catholic faith sohe wouldn't mislead the public.

[Basilisa Marie]

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well if that's the case i guess you can' write off shows that essentially have softcore porn. showing two people unmarried getting all up in each others business.

there are shows we can easily dismiss as sinful. if they have things which go against our faith. obviously the degree's are different. although its pretty easy to say shows that support gay marriage, abortion, pre-marital sex and so on are not good for us. most of the shows make no issues with these things other than support for them. it would be different if they showed thenegatives of themandhad redemption involved in these storylines but they usually don't.
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Not what I said. But sure, you can't necessarily write of tv shows that depict or insinuate two people having sex that aren't married. Isn't that what the fast-forward button is for?

I think there's an interesting point to be made here: if a show depicts sinful actions, is the show itself inherently sinful? Or is viewing the show an occasion of sin? Can this designation be universally applied to all viewers?

Basically my point is that a mature Catholic can probably view shows that depict things that go against our faith without being negatively affected, depending on the situation. Even if the show didn't necessarily show the negative consequences of the actions. Sure, I definitely agree that they might not be as good for us as something on EWTN. But does that mean a person shouldn't watch them? I think that really depends on the person.

And I told you I'm not arguing with you about the morality of the Colbert Report. Unless you want to talk about it in another thread. Which has been done. Multiple times. And we wouldn't get anywhere with each other. So I don't see the point of it.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1337971487' post='2434771']
Not what I said. But sure, you can't necessarily write of tv shows that depict or insinuate two people having sex that aren't married. Isn't that what the fast-forward button is for?

I think there's an interesting point to be made here: if a show depicts sinful actions, is the show itself inherently sinful? Or is viewing the show an occasion of sin? Can this designation be universally applied to all viewers?

Basically my point is that a mature Catholic can probably view shows that depict things that go against our faith without being negatively affected, depending on the situation. Even if the show didn't necessarily show the negative consequences of the actions. Sure, I definitely agree that they might not be as good for us as something on EWTN. But does that mean a person shouldn't watch them? I think that really depends on the person.

And I told you I'm not arguing with you about the morality of the Colbert Report. Unless you want to talk about it in another thread. Which has been done. Multiple times. And we wouldn't get anywhere with each other. So I don't see the point of it.
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if you showed a priest a show with this stuff in it even as little as 100 years ago, what do you think he would say? do you think he would consider the vast majority of tv unwatchable because of the immoral things on it?

imagine what will be on tv in 100 years. i imagine stuff we would consider unwatchable. yet i am sure in the future people will be making the same arguements people are now.

the point is, society as a whole is to afraid to give up most of there tv shows. obviously there are good shows out there like food network shows, sports, ewtn old sitcoms, cartoons. although as evidence of america's viewing habits we watch a lot of trash tv. people will fight like no otherfor their tv shows(i used to be the same way) even though its not good for us.

also the question i pose is why watch something that promotes things which we admiently disagree with usch as homosexual agenda, abortion, pre marital sex, lying and cheating and stealing as a positive thing, using the Lord's name as a curse and so on and so on? my question is why watch something that prmotes things that go against church teaching and God's law?

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1337974615' post='2434798']
if you showed a priest a show with this stuff in it even as little as 100 years ago, what do you think he would say? do you think he would consider the vast majority of tv unwatchable because of the immoral things on it?

imagine what will be on tv in 100 years. i imagine stuff we would consider unwatchable. yet i am sure in the future people will be making the same arguements people are now.

the point is, society as a whole is to afraid to give up most of there tv shows. obviously there are good shows out there like food network shows, sports, ewtn old sitcoms, cartoons. although as evidence of america's viewing habits we watch a lot of trash tv. people will fight like no otherfor their tv shows(i used to be the same way) even though its not good for us.

also the question i pose is why watch something that promotes things which we admiently disagree with usch as homosexual agenda, abortion, pre marital sex, lying and cheating and stealing as a positive thing, using the Lord's name as a curse and so on and so on? my question is why watch something that prmotes things that go against church teaching and God's law?
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Showing today's television to a priest from any past or future time period is completely irrelevant to this situation. You say people are afraid of giving up their tv shows. I'll counter by saying that people who unilaterally write everything off are afraid of making complex moral judgments themselves. While I definitely agree with what you're saying about society as a whole and the general direction of television, Catholics in good standing [i]aren't [/i]society as a whole, and thus make moral judgments differently than Average Secular American Person.

People might watch something that depicts sinful activity in a positive (or neutral) light because they may find other reasons to watch the show. Maybe there's only one scene of gratuitous sex, but the rest of the movie is about some good message. Maybe you watch something like "A Game of Thrones" because you appreciate the story, and fast forward through the gratuitous nudity. Maybe you like Harry Potter because of its positive messages about friendship and self-sacrifice, and carefully explain to your kids the dangers of real magic. Some things don't have any redeeming qualities, sure, and should probably be avoided. But you can't just automatically exclude something because there's a depiction of sinful activity in it. We have to critically examine things, and figure out if we believe there are enough redeeming qualities to justify partaking in it. As lay people we can't just reject everything from our culture automatically and only interact with Catholic art and Catholic people. That's all I'm saying.