Lil Red Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 [quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1337296871' post='2431950'] You did a good job of writing respectfully. Thank you. [/quote] yes he did, but i disagree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I think C.S. Lewis made the point beautifully when he commented in The Four Loves about the distinction between a guy who is on the prowl for 'a women' versus a guy who is looking for 'the woman'. I dress appropriately... and still get the meat treatment sometimes, and it is horrible. It is about wanting to being seen as a person, rather than a piece of meat. I HATE feeling like a piece of meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Don't ever go to Latin America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I never could understand why men bother with looking at women as meat. I mean, there's some fine cuts at the local grocery store, and much more reasonably priced. Leave the women to the men who will actually care about them. Get meat at the grocery store pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 [quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1337298158' post='2431962'] I think C.S. Lewis made the point beautifully when he commented in The Four Loves about the distinction between a guy who is on the prowl for 'a women' versus a guy who is looking for 'the woman'. I dress appropriately... and still get the meat treatment sometimes, and it is horrible. It is about wanting to being seen as a person, rather than a piece of meat. I HATE feeling like a piece of meat. [/quote] That book was amazing! Though I'm partial to all of C.S. Lewis's works. [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1337297804' post='2431960'] yes he did, but i disagree with him. [/quote] But you're doing so in a civil manner. Proof that: 1) Red is a nice person. 2) This is not Debate Table, and we can all chat civilly instead of going directly to "YOU ARE TEH EVULZ" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 [quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1337296871' post='2431950'] You did a good job of writing respectfully. Thank you. [/quote] Whoo! MIkolbe was right! I can indeed be taught! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1337297804' post='2431960'] yes he did, but i disagree with him. [/quote] Well, as said, I do not think it is the solution. I can still look at women lustfully even if they're wrapped up like a Taliban, but these thoughts never occur to me if women dress modestly. Only when a woman is wearing a low-cut top or a bikini do I have to worry about looking at them lustfully. But this is merely my opinion. I just don't think wearing a bikini is the best way to get men not to stare at you is all. On an unrelated note, many women said they look down when men stare at them. This is ironic since when I see a women dressed in an obscene way I look up towards the sky. Edited May 18, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) Possibly an unintentional prayer, "Lord God, give me the strenth not to deck those ^^&*&*(())_s....." Except, as pointed out above, often the women are scared, frightened, and half the size of the guy (not to mention guys) involved. That's the problem here,.... this isn't about attractiveness, or beauty or even lust... this about power and intimidating and scaring people. That's what the problem really is here.... it is not about whether or not someone is dressing to match someone's idea of what modest looks like.... it is that for some kinds of men (and you aren't one of them, FP), a woman wearing anything or nothing is fair game, because all they want to do is cook and eat. And do it without any kind of finesse or kindness. And THAT is what is bothering us. Maximilianus, I do understand what you & DS are noting on the comments about it being especially true of some cultures... but this kind of thing isn't just about a culture or a neighborhood. It seems to transcend stereotypes and ethnicity. I worked for a college that was in a part of a big city that might as well have been outside the US... and I wasn't probably what those who were uh, out hunting, were after.... but never got oggled the way I have been in some of the mainstream neighborhoods. People would talk and comment, but the quality of sleeziness wasn't the same as it was in some of the more mainstream neighborhoods.... I dunno..... I just don't understand why some guys (and some women) feel it is ok to disrespect others. My 2 cents.... which I will apply toward a cup of coffee for anyone who can help me to understand this better....... Edited May 18, 2012 by AnneLine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I must be butt-ugly because I have never been cat-called in my life! I thought that only happened in the movies and/or Europe. Apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 [quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1337306011' post='2432010'] Maximilianus, I do understand what you & DS are noting on the comments about being south of the border.. [/quote] I don't think you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Bueno... explain - I'm listening! And thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Please do note I went back & edited that comment however, as I didn't intend in any way to be making an ethnic strereotype--please excuse if it came off that way. My bad first draft.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1337306039' post='2432011'] I must be butt-ugly because I have never been cat-called in my life! I thought that only happened in the movies and/or Europe. Apparently not. [/quote] Maybe shy men secretly give you cat calls because you are beautiful on the inside. Please don't suggest that you may be ugly! Better to think that you look too respectful and it disarms them. God made you and he made you beautiful where it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 my point was that if you are easily affected by cat calls you might run into issues in a culture in which ogling and cat calling is an accepted norm, but then a "piropo" is supposed to be something clever and poetic and not vulgar and graphic, not that that makes it any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 [quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1337307824' post='2432027'] my point was that if you are easily affected by cat calls you might run into issues in a culture in which ogling and cat calling is an accepted norm, but then a "piropo" is supposed to be something clever and poetic and not vulgar and graphic, not that that makes it any better. [/quote] We actually had a "piropo" contest at tango a few months ago to see who could come up with the best one. I did not find this uncomfortable or disrespectful, but I also never felt that I was in any type of danger. I think I agree with many people here, the main reason catcalls creep me out is I realize how the guy(s) view me and then I feel vulnerable. If I was on a university campus or something i MIGHT feel comfortable telling them to quit it; otherwise, I would fear retaliation for talking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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