Discalced Carmelite Nun Communities

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1343969791' post='2461888']
And for those to whom it matters, the Dallas Carmelites all receive kneeling and on the tongue. I know for some it doesn't matter, but for others this is of great importance.
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They also cover their faces while receiving .. although on other occasions you may be able to see them like a clothing day here, [url="http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/upcoming-activities-at-the-carmelite-chapel/"]http://veneremurcern...rmelite-chapel/[/url] Their chapel is one of the most beautiful I've seen ever (not just Carmels)

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Chiq, I edited my post to include the face covering, and then discovered that you made the note!

I have to agree; their chapel took my breath away when I first saw it!

[Chiquitunga]

is right, lol

[ToJesusMyHeart]

May I ask, are you discerning with the Dallas Carmelites?

[Chiquitunga]

Nope, but I have a good friend who entered there

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Oh how lovely! Blessed art thou to have such a holy friend!

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='StayingFaithful' timestamp='1343932919' post='2461643']
[font=georgia,serif]The Discalced Nuns of the Carmelite Monastery of Cristo Rey in San Francisco recite the Divine Office in English and Spanish, they alternate every two weeks. They also have both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of Holy Mass. They were founded in 1927 from Mexico due to the Cristero War (the For Greater Glory film focuses on this religous persectuion). [/font]

[font=georgia,serif]Speaking of the Cristo Rey Community, you may already be aware but in case you are not, the Carmel of Cristo Rey has another granddaughter! [url="http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-carmelite-house/#comments"]http://cal-catholic....house/#comments[/url][/font]

[font=georgia,serif]Interestingly, the Cristo Rey Carmelites have the 1991 Consitituions but you would not be able to guess it by their Community as they have preserved the traditional relgious life - perhaps this is why the Kensington Carmelite Nuns (1990) chose to be with the Cristo Rey Community. [/font]
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A video from some Christmas celebrations there ..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqgIuy8bIo[/media]

Much time in the middle is devoted to their huge Nativity scene in the refectory .. around 11 min. you see it's there. But then around 12:50 you see the nuns greeting people in the choir, including a cardinal, not sure who. You can see they are very bilingual!

I like how they have that balcony for elderly or sick Sisters. A few Carmels have those. I don't think Valparaiso does, as everything is on one floor there (besides the basement they probably have) Also you can see a postulant! She has the same outer veil on (like a Novice) as they wear in Valparaiso/Elys. though not all the time. Other Spanish Carmels with that postulant outfit, like Brooklyn posted about above, just have the simple veil all the time .. like in the Teresa de Los Andes movie Okay, I better get to bed ..

Edited August 3, 2012 by Chiquitunga

[emmaberry]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1343974947' post='2461915']
A video from some Christmas celebrations there ..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqgIuy8bIo[/media]

Much time in the middle is devoted to their huge Nativity scene in the refectory .. around 11 min. you see it's there. But then around 12:50 you see the nuns greeting people in the choir, including a cardinal, not sure who. You can see they are very bilingual!

I like how they have that balcony for elderly or sick Sisters. A few Carmels have those. I don't think Valparaiso does, as everything is on one floor there (besides the basement they probably have) Also you can see a postulant! She has the same outer veil on (like a Novice) as they wear in Valparaiso/Elys. though not all the time. Other Spanish Carmels with that postulant outfit, like Brooklyn posted about above, just have the simple veil all the time .. like in the Teresa de Los Andes movie Okay, I better get to bed ..
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Thank you for this post! I loved the video. You are right about the unique postulant veil. I love my Poor Clares, but Carmelites know how to dress a postulnt!

[StayingFaithful]

Thanks for all the knowledge you share. Wow, you have a video of Cristo Rey! Have you visited them? They are a growing community!

Edited August 3, 2012 by StayingFaithful

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Does Cristo Rey have the communion flap like Dallas has?

What are the differences between the Spanish and the French habits? Does anyone have pictures of each type?

Edited August 7, 2012 by ToJesusMyHeart

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='StayingFaithful' timestamp='1344023592' post='2462286']
Thanks for all the knowledge you share. Wow, you have a video of Cristo Rey! Have you visited them? They are a growing community!
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Hi! No, I've never visited Cristo Rey. I just found that video searching on youtube

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1344345940' post='2463970']
Does Cristo Rey have the communion flap like Dallas has?

What are the differences between the Spanish and the French habits? Does anyone have pictures of each type?
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I am not sure about the Communion flap there .. but yes, I can post pictures of both. Some of the main differences/ways to tell are ..

- the Spanish day veil is sewn down to the toque (aka guimpe or wimple by other orders) (or in some cases pinned, I know in Dallas they sew them down twice a week and then take them apart to wash them/I am not sure about others) And generally the day veil and toque sit lower on the forehead, although not always. Also, there is generally that ruffled look, as again, it is sewn down, at least in Dallas I know.

- the French day veil is pinned down usually right on the top and higher on the forehead

- the French day veil when tucked in (and the toque under the chin) generally looks bigger around the head/more material .. but then they usually have much less material coming out of the shoulders under the scapular. Anyway, see the pictures. I'm not the best as describing things

Spanish:

[img]http://img.webme.com/pic/c/carmelitasecija/santonoviciado.jpg[/img]

Ecijia, Spain .. novice just clothed has outer veil, other novice just in day veil (sometimes it will have a point on top, but my friend in Dallas actually mentioned once that one of the goals in sewing it down correctly is not to get that point! :j not a big deal though)


[img]http://www.carmelitasvalladolid.es/mediapool/63/639852/images/31BIS.JPG[/img]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/88350-sr-magdalena-of-the-eucharist-ocd/"]Sr. Magdalena of the Eucharist[/url]


[img]http://www.spintown.net/images/nuns/durango4.jpg[/img]

San Antonio, TX

[img]http://altaredesign.com/kankakeelatinmass/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mother-mary-elias-ocd.jpg[/img]

Mother Elias, [url="http://fountainofelias.blogspot.com/2009/07/mother-mary-elias-of-blessed-sacrament.html"]http://fountainofeli...-sacrament.html[/url]


French:


[img]http://www.carmelsong.com/images/aloy1939r.jpg[/img]

Mother Aloysius, Bettendorf, IA - [url="http://www.carmelsong.com/MotherAloysius.htm"]http://www.carmelson...herAloysius.htm[/url]



[img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/smc%20jubilee%20feathered_SMALL.jpg[/img]

Carmel, CA


[img]http://d2om8tvz4lgco4.cloudfront.net/archive/x1647204652/g2e22e200000000000046f192d575ccbb1e82e4792e801770c68c20cccf.jpg[/img]

Danvers, MA [url="http://www.danverscarmel.com/"]http://www.danverscarmel.com/[/url]


There are variations in these from one community to the next of course - for instance, Traverse City pins their veil at the top now, but they still have more material coming out of the scapular, [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/CarmelOfTheInfantJesusOfPragueTraverseCityMI#5213729232132169586"]https://picasaweb.go...729232132169586[/url] so I would still call it mostly Spanish, and their heritage of course is very Spanish, which they are proud of up there.

More examples, article on Mother Teresa Margaret who turned 100!! [url="http://record-eagle.com/bodysoul/x1753726766/A-nuns-life-Mother-Teresa-Margaret"]http://record-eagle....Teresa-Margaret[/url]

Kirk Edge in the UK doesn't have as much material from the toque under the chin as many of the US French Carmels do - [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/catholicism/3984082651/"]http://www.flickr.co...ism/3984082651/[/url] which looks a bit more Spanish

Flemington pins their veil down lower which makes it look more Spanish too..

[url="http://00eb9ba.netsolhost.com/stories/2008/9_11_08/trilogy.html"]http://00eb9ba.netso...08/trilogy.html[/url] & [url="http://www.flemingtoncarmel.org/"]http://www.flemingtoncarmel.org/[/url]


But generally, they are one or the other (also there are generally different customs and a different spirit between the two) Hope this is not all too confusing!!!

[VeniJesuAmorMi]

I always enjoy your information on Carmel! These pictures are beautiful.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Wow! Thanks so much!!! It's so interesting!!

Would you mind expanding on the differences in Spanish/French customs and the differences in the 'spirits' of each too?

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344361967' post='2464064']- the Spanish day veil is sewn down to the toque (aka guimpe or wimple by other orders) (or in some cases pinned, I know in Dallas they sew them down twice a week and then take them apart to wash them/I am not sure about others) And generally the day veil and toque sit lower on the forehead, although not always. Also, there is generally that ruffled look, as again, it is sewn down, at least in Dallas I know.[/quote]
I want to correct myself here. I learned that in Valparaiso they definitely also sew the day veil to the toque, they call it toqua (also that they have a separate night toqua that no veil is sewn to)

[img]http://www.carmelitasvalladolid.es/mediapool/63/639852/resources/big_5506218_4_363-289.JPG[/img]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/88350-sr-magdalena-of-the-eucharist-ocd/"]Sr. Magdalena of the Eucharist[/url] again


So I think it can be assumed generally that is the what is done in most traditional Spanish Carmels. I just mentioned that some pin it because a while back on the phorum we were having a similar conversation and someone mentioned being in a Spanish Carmel where they pinned it .. and that it seemed impractical to sew it and then take them apart to wash. But this is indeed what they do in Dallas and Valparaiso at least. And a Sister in Dallas who was once in a French Carmel actually said the French veil takes a good 5 minutes longer to put on every morning, whereas with the Spanish toque and veil already sewn together, it is much faster (though they have to take the time to sew them and take them apart weekly, but they are loose stitches)

Anyway, more random details on Carmel not necessary for your salvation!! I will come back later to attempt to answer the French/Spanish customs question.. though I'm seriously no expert .. just happened to have gathered a lot of random information, lol

Edited August 11, 2012 by Chiquitunga

[MarisStella]

Sorry to change the subject, but I thought this thread would be the right place to ask:
Does anyone know anything about the Carmel in Louisville, KY?