On The Topic Of Active Participation

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

I went to mass in Africa and the clapping was great...of course it was with reverent intent and in accordance with social customs as outlined in the documents. While I most appreciate more traditional music, preferably Latin and chant I do not discount that in the American melting pot of cultures that clapping CAN at times be ok and not to be shuddered upon. I have a bigger problem with people scowling at me for not holding hands during the our father than somebody expressing themselves in a more physical manner by clapping to a song.

[let_go_let_God]

[quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' timestamp='1337228159' post='2431583']
I went to mass in Africa and the clapping was great...of course it was with reverent intent and in accordance with social customs as outlined in the documents. While I most appreciate more traditional music, preferably Latin and chant I do not discount that in the American melting pot of cultures that clapping CAN at times be ok and not to be shuddered upon. I have a bigger problem with people scowling at me for not holding hands during the our father than somebody expressing themselves in a more physical manner by clapping to a song.
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Clapping has it's place.

Clapping has different cultural meaning between the African continent and America. I was at the ordination of a priest from Kenya when he was ordained in Minnesota. His family came to Minnesota and helped to provide the music for his ordination mass. It was outstanding, moving, and humble. It was also the most loud and energetic liturgical music I've ever heard. I'm sitting in my pew clapping with them as my friends are looking at me in disbelief, it was quite the mass.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1337208827' post='2431423']
Yeah...bonus points for moms making their little kids clap. "We are called to love with kindness" *clap clap* "We are called to love tenderly" *clap clap* "We are called to love one another" *clap clap* "and walk humbly with God."
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[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1337218602' post='2431525']
I have NEVER had to put up with that song AND clapping at the same time! You have my sympathy!
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I've never even heard that song.

[LaPetiteSoeur]

[quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' timestamp='1337228159' post='2431583']
I went to mass in Africa and the clapping was great...of course it was with reverent intent and in accordance with social customs as outlined in the documents. While I most appreciate more traditional music, preferably Latin and chant I do not discount that in the American melting pot of cultures that clapping CAN at times be ok and not to be shuddered upon[b]. I have a bigger problem with people scowling at me for not holding hands during the our father than somebody expressing themselves in a more physical manner by clapping to a song.[/b]
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I hate holding hands at the Our Father, and cannot stand it when people even try to grab my hand when it's folded and I"m praying. I'm not a huge germaphobe, but that is not razzle dazzle.

I agree that clapping has its place, especially in other cultures and when it is done in reverence. We had an ethnically African American Catholic Church visit mine a few years ago, and their music involved lots of reverent clapping. It was a really razzle dazzle experience.

[BG45]

[quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1337274253' post='2431710']
I've never even heard that song.
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First I would like to apologize, David Haas wrote it. I mis-attributed it to Haugen.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDljPsRIryo[/media]

[qfnol31]

[quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1337293861' post='2431913']
I hate holding hands at the Our Father, and cannot stand it when people even try to grab my hand when it's folded and I"m praying. I'm not a huge germaphobe, but that is not razzle dazzle.

I agree that clapping has its place, especially in other cultures and when it is done in reverence. We had an ethnically African American Catholic Church visit mine a few years ago, and their music involved lots of reverent clapping. It was a really razzle dazzle experience.
[/quote]I immediately close my eyes and fold my hands tightly (if I'm not holding my daughter). I read the advice about closing my eyes somewhere on this phorum and it has made a huge difference.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1337313315' post='2432071']
I immediately close my eyes and fold my hands tightly (if I'm not holding my daughter). I read the advice about closing my eyes somewhere on this phorum and it has made a huge difference.
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At least then you can't see the dirty looks they're giving you.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1337314043' post='2432079']

At least then you can't see the dirty looks they're giving you.
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[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='let_go_let_God' timestamp='1337196097' post='2431321']
**clapping**


**Shutters**
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Shutters are getting so expensive these days. The economy really needs to have a boost.

I too am not big on holding hands during the Our Father. In my Diocese me and my family are usually the only people that do not hold hands with each other. It really is a testament to how bad the liturgy has gotten. The liturgy has been about the community for far too long. It should be about Jesus and his sacrifice, not about holding each other's hands and singing kumbaya (Which is a terrible enough song to begin with!).

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1337274253' post='2431710']
I've never even heard that song.
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Same here. The parish I play at sings only good music. Mostly because I dictate what we sing.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1337316483' post='2432114']
Same here. The parish I play at sings only good music. Mostly because I dictate what we sing.
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I'm sure Kumbaya sounds as beautiful as Ave Maria when you play it.

But really, you need to move to where I live. I'm stuck with dreadful music that sounds worse than Creed!

[missionseeker]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1337317530' post='2432119']
I'm sure Kumbaya sounds as beautiful as Ave Maria when you play it.

But really, you need to move to where I live. I'm stuck with dreadful music that sounds worse than Creed!
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That would depend on which Ave Maria you're talking about.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1337317658' post='2432120']
That would depend on which Ave Maria you're talking about.
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The good one, of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuuHx8ZtUM&ob=av2n

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1337317530' post='2432119']
I'm sure Kumbaya sounds as beautiful as Ave Maria when you play it.
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Honey, I don't play kumbaya. Unfortunately, 95% of what I play was written by Protestants, because every Catholic publisher has only sought out garbage composers for the last fifty or more years.

[Papist]

What am I missing about clapping being conditionally acceptable. Are there cultures that clapping is that integral in their lives? Even if so, I find it hard to understand that when converted to Catholicism and introduced to the Liturgy that clapping was part of the instruction. So when did this clapping originate? I don't dispute some clap reverently. Just b/c something is done reverently, then it is not problematic? I don't understand that. One can say the rosary very reverently during the Mass, yet it would be problematic.

That said, I leave this in the hands of my Mother, the Church, and obediently submit.