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[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Pax domini bretheren...
I heard a class on i think it was ewtn or somewhere,but the person was trying to explain that sometimes we have relatively no control over our thoughts and to not let this disturb us. I didn't get it coz i'm relatively simple and the 30 minute class i didn't get it,this was about a wekk ago and i believed it but didn't undertand. Than came the miracle. A man after a.a. said to me out of concern when i walked out for a ciggerrtte,he said "you judge yourself by your thoughts not your actions,jusge yourself by your actions not your thoughts." <ping> bam that was last night and the devil tried to rip it out of me when i arose this morning but i remembered and i have had the most pleasent day today for 3 or so years. And today the spirit cam upon me with biblical backup. Somewhere in the holy bible it says "that men will be judged by there words and all there deeds", my point being it doesn't say we will be judged by our thoughts. Any comments upon this would be much appreciated.

God bless you all.
Onward christian souls.
JESUS iz LORD.

JC "seek and ye shall find." "knock and the door will be opened." "be baptised and believe and you will be saved." "anyone whom eats of my flesh and drinks of my blood shall have life."

St "anyone whom eats of jesus' flesh and drinks of his blood without first examining there concience shall incure judgement."

[Spem in alium]

I'm glad you were able to experience peace today.

The subject of thought resonates with me quite a bit, as controlling my thoughts is something I struggle with and am only now managing to triumph over thanks to prayer and discussion.

I believe true judgement is to be left to God. He, after all, looks at the heart.There are some thoughts that maybe even the purest person cannot control. I believe God understands this and takes it into account, because He knows us better than we know ourselves. He knows what we do and do not intend or desire.

Trust in God, always. It is up to Him to judge in whatever way He sees fit. Perhaps it's something we cannot know until it happens to us. But it helps to live in hope
God bless.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

While true we can not control our thoughts, and should not stress too much about it. I believe in Practicing the Presence of God as outline by Brother Lawrence of the Resurrection. When we do have thoughts that are not good, we should do our best to reject them as soon as we become aware of them, and instead lift our thoughts to God. It can be a quite simple thing as "o Jesus give me more grace."

[AnneLine]

Obviously, being tempted is NOT sinful - Jesus was tempted!

But we are no where as strong as He was.

I like what PadrePio suggested, and will also add that if possible, get up and do something different. Pray, of course, but also just do something diffferent -- Read a book, jog in place, watch the TV -- ANYTHING! -- that will break the thoughts and move your mind into something else. Our brains can do only one thing at a time.

Remember the way that they Enterprise crew were able to get the evil entity out of their computer, but ordering it to put all resources into calculating to the final decimal point the value of pi? Can't do it, but it take up a LOT of memory!

Strikes me that is a pretty good piece of spiritual advice as well -- can you imagine how boring a little devil would find THAT task?

Edited May 10, 2012 by AnneLine

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

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While true we can not control our thoughts, and should not stress too much about it. I believe in Practicing the Presence of God as outline by Brother Lawrence of the Resurrection. When we do have thoughts that are not good, we should do our best to reject them as soon as we become aware of them, and instead lift our thoughts to God. It can be a quite simple thing as "o Jesus give me more grace."
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[u]sometimes [/u]pio, not that we don't have control over our thoughts ever, but it is not something to wrestle with and condemn oneself over if the thought isn't acted upon, and even than theres confession or jail. And yes a simple lord grant me the grace to get through this without sinning is very beneficial.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

[quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1336680577' post='2429531']
Obviously, being tempted is NOT sinful - Jesus was tempted!

But we are no where as strong as He was.

I like what PadrePio suggested, and will also add that if possible, get up and do something different. Pray, of course, but also just do something diffferent -- Read a book, jog in place, watch the TV -- ANYTHING! -- that will break the thoughts and move your mind into something else. Our brains can do only one thing at a time.

Remember the way that they Enterprise crew were able to get the evil entity out of their computer, but ordering it to put all resources into calculating to the final decimal point the value of pi? Can't do it, but it take up a LOT of memory!

Strikes me that is a pretty good piece of spiritual advice as well -- can you imagine how boring a little devil would find THAT task?
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yes that is what a priest advised me, but in periods of extreme desolation and not just semi arid and being tempted ferociously by a demon it is near impossible half the time to get up and do something different. You just have to hang on like an anchor in the storm wait for it to pass,and what i would do is go and recieve holy communion asap in the morning, paticularily if i was up all night fighting temptations which me being el stupido didn't always fight succesfully whatever the deadly sin.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

[quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1336680577' post='2429531']
Obviously, being tempted is NOT sinful - Jesus was tempted!

But we are no where as strong as He was.

I like what PadrePio suggested, and will also add that if possible, get up and do something different. Pray, of course, but also just do something diffferent -- Read a book, jog in place, watch the TV -- ANYTHING! -- that will break the thoughts and move your mind into something else. Our brains can do only one thing at a time.

Remember the way that they Enterprise crew were able to get the evil entity out of their computer, but ordering it to put all resources into calculating to the final decimal point the value of pi? Can't do it, but it take up a LOT of memory!

Strikes me that is a pretty good piece of spiritual advice as well -- can you imagine how boring a little devil would find THAT task?
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You will be suprised how persistant a demon is particularily if it has a gang of demons with it, i hope you never have the pleasure of meeting such a heard of swine,unless it where beneficial for your eternal salvation.

[BarbTherese]

Heard a great homily related to this subject at Vigil Mass tonight. How our human nature can say one thing to us, while we need to refer to our spiritual nature and what God has to say to us. It is also very true that we should look more at our actions than at our thoughts - and thought precedes action. Father was speaking about the first big argument in the early Church and how Peter, a Jew and many with him, were repulsed at the idea of non Jews being able to join The Way (very first and earliest name for Christianity)without being circumcised. But their spiritual selves eventually told them that God wanted it the latter way,though their human nature remained somewhat repulsed at the concept and teaching.
For example, we may dislike someone intenselvely and that is our human nature speaking with its assorted likes and dislikes, but our spiritual nature informs us not to act out that dislike, and so we go out of our way to be kind to a person we dislike, though we cannot feel that kindness. It is our action that counts! Obviously, at some point the thoughts of our human nature are contradicted by the thoughts of our spiritual nature and what God is telling us.
Nor is it being insincere, since we know that our spiritual selves is our real self and will lead us to God, while giving in to our human nature very often will be a leading away from God.

Hope that makes some sense. Father's homily tonight sure did!