Dna Tests On Eucharistic Miracles

[dairygirl4u2c]

such as the said miracle at Lanciano Italy.

Edited May 9, 2012 by dairygirl4u2c

[Mark of the Cross]

1/ No 2/ It is accepted that scientific tests on the Eucharist will reveal the accidents of bread and wine. The transubstantiation goes beyond Newtonian/Einsteinian physics. It is a matter of faith without proof.

[Laudate_Dominum]

My vote has been added!!

[Mark of the Cross]

Do not put the Lord your God to the test!

[Basilisa Marie]

I heard somewhere that they've tested blood from various Eucharistic miracles, and it's always AB+. I don't know how true that is, but the important thing is that our faith doesn't depend on physical aspects of them. The physical miracles are meant to help inspire faith in deeper, transcendent things.

[Groo the Wanderer]

test for what? its already been proven to be living AB+ in all cases. what else ya looking for?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336624564' post='2429352']
test for what? its already been proven to be living AB+ in all cases. what else ya looking for?
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Whole genome sequencing would be ideal.

P.S. Might you have a source or sources regarding the "AB+ in all cases" thing? Just curious. Sounds interesting. Peace.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Laudate_Dominum

[Groo the Wanderer]

What would be the purpose of mapping the genome other than to say 'yup. we done did it. derp.' If there is not something to be gained, no sense in doing a DNA mapping.

here's a partial listing: [url="http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/eucharisticmiracles.htm"]http://www.catholicd...ticmiracles.htm[/url] read each one to find those on which the Precious Blood and/or the Holy Flesh was tested.
more; [url="http://www.circleofprayer.com/eucharistic-miracles.html"]http://www.circleofp...c-miracles.html[/url]
listing by region: [url="http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm"]http://www.therealpr...ir/engl_mir.htm[/url]

Edited May 10, 2012 by Groo the Wanderer

[Papist]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1336598263' post='2429227']
such as the said miracle at Lanciano Italy.
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To what end purpose would all these testings be for?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336648075' post='2429387']
What would be the purpose of mapping the genome other than to say 'yup. we done did it. derp.' If there is not something to be gained, no sense in doing a DNA mapping.[/quote]
It would enable definitive testing of the validity of the Eucharistic miracles. Assuming they are legit, it would be fascinating to learn about Jesus' genetics. If we could learn about the genome of a God-man, why wouldn't we want to!? Beats the pantaloons off the NT genealogies. Was Jesus genetically susceptible to specific diseases? How closely related are we to Jesus? What is his paternity like, given the non-human Father? And a million other fascinating questions. "Good news people: The supernatural is demonstrably real and Jesus is probably as advertised. Oh, and He's left us His holy genome to reverently explore. Amen." How would this not be teh amesome? lol.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336648075' post='2429387']
here's a partial listing: [url="http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/eucharisticmiracles.htm"]http://www.catholicd...ticmiracles.htm[/url] read each one to find those on which the Precious Blood and/or the Holy Flesh was tested.
more; [url="http://www.circleofprayer.com/eucharistic-miracles.html"]http://www.circleofp...c-miracles.html[/url]
listing by region: [url="http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm"]http://www.therealpr...ir/engl_mir.htm[/url]
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Thanks for the resources. I plan on checking it out in the near future. Props.

[4588686]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336648075' post='2429387']
What would be the purpose of mapping the genome other than to say 'yup. we done did it. derp.' If there is not something to be gained, no sense in doing a DNA mapping.

here's a partial listing: [url="http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/eucharisticmiracles.htm"]http://www.catholicd...ticmiracles.htm[/url] read each one to find those on which the Precious Blood and/or the Holy Flesh was tested.
more; [url="http://www.circleofprayer.com/eucharistic-miracles.html"]http://www.circleofp...c-miracles.html[/url]
listing by region: [url="http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm"]http://www.therealpr...ir/engl_mir.htm[/url]
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I would provide some scientific validity to the claim. If you can prove that the exact same genetic sequence is being extracted from blood samples that you can show have been kept separate then you have a pretty powerful claim.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1336648323' post='2429394']
To what end purpose would all these testings be for?
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I can't speak for dairy, but one of the reasons why I think such testing is important is that being duped is croutons and I'd rather not adore an artifact of medieval hucksterism. Truth is something to value. If we can test the validity of something, let it be so. Then, if there are legitimate artifacts of supernatural origin, what more fascinating objects of study are there? If the evidence is actually legit then I think it would help convert unbelievers. This is also a good thing. Doubter: "There is no good evidence for God, etc." Teh Church: "Actually there is. Behold these miraculous artifacts and teh compelling body of research." Doubter: "Fascinating. Maybe I'll give teh Church a chance..."

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1336674852' post='2429493']
I would provide some scientific validity to the claim. If you can prove that the exact same genetic sequence is being extracted from blood samples that you can show have been kept separate then you have a pretty powerful claim.
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Exactly. 'Tis much, much stronger evidence than mere blood type, or whatever.

This is a diff topic, but I'd like to see the blood miracle of Saint Januarius be tested. A stage magician could create a similar "miracle" so the only way to fairly call it a possible miracle is to determine that the substance is actually blood and that there is no plausible way that the liquefaction could occur by natural processes. Is it so hard to just test that it is blood? A spectroscopic analysis would need not disturb the reliquary or destroy a sample.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Laudate_Dominum

[sixpence]

i dunno the tests on Lanciano are already rather convincing, I feel like if people aren't already convinced DNA is not going to help. People could still argue that someone had placed had simply placed heart muscle in there.