Cispa Has Passed. The 4th Ammendment No Longer Applies To The Internet

[Clare~Therese]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1335635332' post='2424401']
And St. Lincoln sure as hell didn't limit government, either. He was the hipster of the lot, doing it before it was razzle dazzle.
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[img]http://www.treybailey.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/abe.jpg[/img]

[quote]I feel safer already [/quote]

Well, hey, so do I!

[ardillacid]

How is it, Table, that you are always drunk? Doesnt your employer frown on that sort of thing?

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1335632254' post='2424388']


I like you but sometimes you actually are a parody.
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Well, I do love my fair share of Weird Al Yankovic.

[BG45]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1335635332' post='2424401']
And St. Lincoln sure as hell didn't limit government, either. He was the hipster of the lot, doing it before it was razzle dazzle.
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Yet he did manage to preserve the Union. I like having my unified nation after the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression/War of Southern Aggression. That said, I'd not have been happy/possibly been in prison when he was President over minor disagreements like:
1) HOLY COW MAN, DID YOU JUST ARREST THE ENTIRE MARYLAND LEGISLATURE BEFORE THEY COULD THINK OF VOTING FOR SECESSION?!
2) Uh...that Habeas Corpus thing is um...mildly important Mr President...kinda...really...is. Please don't throw me in jail without my civil liberties...

[quote name='Tony' timestamp='1335571351' post='2424156']
There were enough votes to override a veto for NDAA. Obama could still block this (and if what Jlol's saying is true that the Dems own the senate, I don't see it passing anyway judging by those numbers.
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I really think Obama missed a mixed opportunity in not trying to veto NDAA and losing. It could be used to make him look weak, but at the same time he could run his entire ad campaign for the election around "Barack Obama tried to safeguard your liberties, but Congress decided to repeal them. This has been the case every time President Obama has tried to help the American people, and now the Republicans are attacking health care. They want you to die."

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1335631272' post='2424385']
I'm actually not even sure what CISPA is or why it is such a huge deal. I just read the fourth amendment no longer applies and thought Obama was up to his usually scheme of things.
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"Obama" in this case being bipartisan Congress with most of the Republicans in favor of it and introducing the bill itself.

[Jesus_lol]

Havent you heard BG? Obama is always responsible for every bad law, and the republicans are just angels working tirelessly to save the world.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1335715453' post='2424758']War of Southern Aggression.
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I beg your pardon? Towards whom, exactly, are the southerners supposed to have directed aggression?

[qfnol31]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1335720927' post='2424784']

I beg your pardon? Towards whom, exactly, are the southerners supposed to have directed aggression?
[/quote]You've never heard those terms applied, particularly that one applied? You're missing out...

[4588686]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1335722176' post='2424795']
You've never heard those terms applied, particularly that one applied? You're missing out...
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I've never heard any such thing. I have heard The war of Northern Aggression more than a few times though.

I actually agree that the South was at fault for the war and Southern aggression and contempt for what they took to be a spineless North unwilling to stand up to Southern valor did trigger the war, but I've never heard the term War of Southern Aggression. Maybe it's a northern thing.

[4588686]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1335715453' post='2424758']

I really think Obama missed a mixed opportunity in not trying to veto NDAA and losing. It could be used to make him look weak, but at the same time he could run his entire ad campaign for the election around "Barack Obama tried to safeguard your liberties, but Congress decided to repeal them. This has been the case every time President Obama has tried to help the American people, and now the Republicans are attacking health care. They want you to die."
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I don't see this. I think that given the attention span of the American public the likelihood that they would notice or care about NDAA is close to nil and the likelihood that he would get any benefit from being overridden by congress would be at best nil. The republicans would just be able to come back with Obama being weak on terror. By signing the bill he was able to attach a signing statements disavowing the most egregious parts of the law.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1335720672' post='2424782']
Havent you heard BG? Obama is always responsible for every bad law, and the republicans are just angels working tirelessly to save the world.
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I never said Republicans were Saints. I support Republicans because they share my views 90% of the time, but I wouldn't associate myself with the party. Any view the Church has I have. That's why I affiliate myself as a member of the Papist party. I will most likely affiliate myself as a Republican when I'm old enough to vote (Unless there is the unlikely case of another major party that is more conservative) but don't mistake me as a Republican.

[BG45]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1335720672' post='2424782']
Havent you heard BG? Obama is always responsible for every bad law, and the republicans are just angels working tirelessly to save the world.
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Oh gotcha. They and I share a lot of views, but we seem to usually have a falling out in the implementation stages. Sort of like we both believe the government shouldn't pay for abortions, but I don't think one should spinelessly attach that to a student loan bill that penalizes millions of Americans. Or how we both believe that the government doesn't need to be expanded, and then they decided to showcase their small government credentials by drastically expanding government founding entire new agencies and departments at the Cabinet level.
[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1335720927' post='2424784']
I beg your pardon? Towards whom, exactly, are the southerners supposed to have directed aggression?
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The Civil War tended to be a grey area where no one was really 'good', and both sides were quite aggressive in the time leading up to it. As for how was the South being aggressive,,,
*As early as 1832, South Carolina was refusing to pay federal tariffs and raised a volunteer military force of 2,000 cavalry and 25,000 infantry. This is the [url="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/ordnull.asp"]Ordinance of Nullification.[/url]
*John C. Calhoun, former Vice President prepared a [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=v19nwcfWd-oC&pg=PA212&lpg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false"]letter [/url]to be read a month prior to his death that was read by an Alabama Senator in Congress, blaming the North for everything short of male pattern baldness. Despite the Civil War being about states rights, the South was demanding half of California at least be a slave territory and that the North concede to stop trying to infringe upon slavery.
*Another Congressman, from Mississippi suggested [url="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=022/llcg022.db&recNum=348"]invading [/url]the North and California on the floor of the House.
*James Hammond, a prominent plantation owner and slave holder suggested, over the California issue, that the South [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=v19nwcfWd-oC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216#v=onepage&q&f=false"]march upon the US Capitol[/url], burn it, and enforce their will.
*Senator Mason of Alabama [url="http://www.nytimes.com/1863/10/19/news/dispatches-to-the-associated-press-78708903.html"]wrote to Secretary of War[/url] (and later Confederate President) Jefferson Davis requesting he arm the southern states for a war of secession four years prior to the outbreak of the Civil War.
*A year to the day before South Carolina seceded from the Union, it was so desperate to stop a Republican, John Sherman, from becoming Speaker of the House that Governor Gist asked one of his Representatives if there was need for military action, assuring him that the [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=X29egdUI4WUC&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112#v=onepage&q&f=true"]governor would send a regiment to Washington immediately if his Representative felt it necessary to remove Sherman by force.[/url]
*Fort Sumter was a US military installation, given to the federal government by South Carolina in 1836, [url="http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/m/moawar/ofre.html"]it was shelled first by Confederate forces in their beginning act of secession after it failed to surrender.[/url] Federal forces, by the way, did not return fire on the people trying to kill them. In the rebels favor, their lack of bombardment skill is apparent in their ability to kill only a horse.

Let's not go into the war itself, because both sides did things too terrible to imagine in modern times. One of which, I brought up earlier with Lincoln imprisoning Maryland's legislature.

Sources primarily taken from:
-US government records
-The Letters of John Calhoun
-Drawn With the Sword: Reflections on the American Civil War
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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1335727467' post='2424841']
I don't see this. I think that given the attention span of the American public the likelihood that they would notice or care about NDAA is close to nil and the likelihood that he would get any benefit from being overridden by congress would be at best nil. The republicans would just be able to come back with Obama being weak on terror. By signing the bill he was able to attach a signing statements disavowing the most egregious parts of the law.
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Point taken. As the Family Guy episode showed, and several politicians have since, saying "9/11" covers a multitude of sins.