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[Amppax]

No great ideas from me right now.... But this is an amesome one. One idea, make some Phatmass specific ones.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1335238114' post='2422491']
Question for the theologically inclined: would a scapular made with this thing be legit (aka not cloth?). Cause that would be so razzle dazzle.
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For a brown scapular, I believe the answer is no. You can google it, though.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1335821815' post='2425366']
For a brown scapular, I believe the answer is no. You can google it, though.
[/quote]

i thought it was okay - there are metal scapulars out there that are licit.

[arfink]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1335825209' post='2425384']
i thought it was okay - there are metal scapulars out there that are licit.
[/quote]

I'll need to research it, because it would be a razzle dazzle idea.

[Slappo]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1335825209' post='2425384']
i thought it was okay - there are metal scapulars out there that are licit.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure it is circumstantial like for the military, and those that can wear cloth due to their state in life need to wear cloth.

As to why the military couldn't wear a cloth scapular not sure lol... i thought i read that somewhere though.

[Innocent]

I think Lil Red is referring to the Scapular Medal which is permitted as an alternative to the wool scapular.

I recall reading in several online sources regarding the devotional of the Brown Scapular that though it is permitted to have the two pieces of wool joined by a chain instead of a cord, the two rectangular pieces of wool in front and back are a must for the validity of the sacramental, and also that the images on the wool are optional.


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The scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel should be brown, though black is acceptable as well, and must be wool. To have an image of Our Lady presenting the Scapular to Simon Stock on the scapular itself is quite common, but the scapular may also be blank.
[/quote][url="http://www.aquinasandmore.com/catholic-articles/what-is-a-scapular/article/148"]SOURCE[/url]





[quote][size=3]The "devotional scapular" is a much smaller item and evolved from the monastic scapular. These may also be worn by individuals who are not members of a monastic order and the Roman Catholic Church [/size] [size=3]considers them sacramentals. The devotional scapular typically consists of two small (usually rectangular) pieces of cloth, wood or laminated paper, a few inches in size which may bear religious images or text. These are joined by two bands of cloth and the wearer places one square on the chest, rests the bands one on each shoulder and lets the second square drop down the back.[/size][/quote][url="http://www.ourladyspromise.org/scapular.php"]SOURCE[/url]




[quote]After he is enrolled, therefore, a member of the Confraternity can renew his own Scapular even as a religious, once invested, can make his own habit. It must, however, be like the large one. It must be of woven wool, of a color somewhere between brown and black [preferably brown, of course], and of rectangular shape. It must be so made that it can hang over the shoulders and thus rest at once against the front and back of the body.[/quote][url="http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/scapular4.htm"]SOURCE[/url]

[quote][b]C. THE SCAPULAR MEDAL.[/b]
For many years it was debated whether or not the Scapular medal was a valid substitute for the cloth Scapular in all respects. It was dear that it was valid for most indulgences, and for the Sabbatine Privilege. It was debated whether or not it sufficed for the great Scapular Promise. Today we have an assurance in the form of an official declaration by the Carmelite Order that the medal suffices even for the great Promise.[sup]30[/sup] every medal must be blessed by a priest having the proper faculty.
In blessing Scapular medals, the priest must use a separate sign of the cross for each kind of Scapular for which the medal is to substitute (for there are other kinds of Scapulars). And he must not convey any other blessing, such as the Apostolic indulgences, by the same sign of the cross.
A Scapular medal must have on one side the image of Our Lord [i]showing His Heart, [/i]and on the other side, any type of image of the Blessed Virgin (not necessarily the Mount Carmel type). Some medals today are made with an image of Our Lord, but not showing His Heart: [i]these do not fill the requirements for a Scapular medal, [/i]and must not be used. See AAS 3 (1911), p. 23.

D. A FEW PRACTICAL RULES ON THE SCAPULAR
1. According to the best canonists, the faculty often given to priests in the Diocesan Faculties, by virtue of the Bishop's Quinquennial Faculties, to bless and impose the Five Scapulars with one form presupposes that the priest already has the faculty to impose each of the five separately. Hence it is necessary to obtain, from the proper Carmelite Superior, or through various Mission Societies, e.g., the Pia Unio Cleri, the faculty to impose and bless the Carmelite Scapulars. He who has the faculty to bless and impose also has the faculty to bless Scapular medals. Unless there is an additional dispensation, names of those enrolled must be entered in the register of a canonically erected Scapular Confraternity.

2. Cloth Scapulars must be made of two rectangles (other shapes are not valid) of wool, woven, not matted or felt, of brown or black color, or any shade in between. Cords must be sewed to the wool directly, not directly to the picture itself (if used), and only indirectly to the wool. Pictures are not required. It is permitted to sew one of the four edges of the rectangles (the top edge) to the top edge of another Scapular (e.g., of a Third Order). Then only one set of cords is required, but the cords must be put in between the two Scapulars, so as to be sewed directly to each. Cords (as far as the Carmel Scapular is concerned) may be of any material (even chains) and any color. The Scapular must be worn with one cloth rectangle hanging down in front, one in bade. It may be worn inside, outside, or between other garments. It is not sufficient to carry a cloth Scapular in the pocket, nor to wear it in any way other than that described. The metal may be worn in any decent manner-on a chain, or cord, or pinned to the clothing.

3. It is necessary to be enrolled in the Scapular in order to share in the favors and indulgences. This is usually done on First Communion day, or the day before.[/quote]
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getchap.cfm?WorkNum=213&ChapNum=31"]SOURCE: Fr. Most[/url]



[quote][b]LEGISLATION ON THE SCAPULAR ITSELF.[/b]
The Scapular of Carmel must be made entirely of wool and, according to the Sacred Congregation of Indulgences (1868), the word “pannus” should be taken in its strict meaning, that is to say, as wool woven into cloth, and not wool worked with the needle after the fashion of lace, nor pressed (felt).

[For the duration of the present World War, the Sacred Congregation permits the use of other woven materials besides wool for brown Scapulars. Felt, knitted wear, lace, etc., are still invalid.]

The colour of the Scapular is usually dark brown, but may be any shade between brown and black.
The cords which join the two panels of the Scapular may be of any material and of any colour.

Ornamentation of the Scapular is permitted (pictures of Our Lady are even customary), but the prescribed colour of the Scapular must always predominate. If the Scapular bears a picture on each panel, the stitch securing the picture should be such that the Scapular obviously holds the picture and does not frame the picture so that the brown cloth would look more like a “backing” than the essential part of the garment. Lace borders on a picture-bearing Scapular definitely jeopardise its validity.

The Scapular must be rectangular in shape. Guard must be had against Scapulars either pinked or too much trimmed at the corners.
The Scapulars must be worn over the shoulders in such a manner that one part hangs in front of the body and the other in the back. Worn in any other way, it carries no Indulgences.

It is not necessary, however, to wear the Scapular next to the skin. It may be worn over one‟s‟ clothes or even enclosed in some sort of case. In the latter event, the panels of the Scapular must be actually attached to the cords which should join them so that, were the covering removed, the Scapular would be intact.[/quote][url="http://www.catholicpamphlets.net/pamphlets/Scapular%20Instructions.pdf"]SOURCE <PDF>[/url]


The above pamphlet is from the time of WWII and in all probability there has been some new announcement or sanctioned trend that has superseded this requirement for 100% wool.

HOWEVER, note this:

[quote][b][b][i]A Catechesis on the Brown Scapular[/i][/b][/b]

[b][i]The following catechesis was prepared in 2000 under the direction of the North American prior provincials of the Carmelite Order and the Order of Discalced Carmelites as the Carmelite Family prepared to celebrate the 750 anniversary of the Brown Scapular. The draft was prepared by Father Sam Anthony Morello, OCD and Father Patrick McMahon, O.Carm. and was then submitted to the Archdiocesan authorities in Washington DC for the imprimatur of the then archbishop, Cardinal James Hickey. After several minor modifications the imprimatur was granted. The following is the revised and approved text. It was published as part of [/i][/b][b]The Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel: Catechesis and Ritual[i]. [/i][/b]

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[b]Does the Brown scapular have to be wool?[/b]
It did at one time, it no longer does. Few Carmelite Religious use pure wool for their habits, including their scapulars, anymore because of the expense and the impracticality.[/quote][url="http://carmelitanacollection.com/catechesis.html"] SOURCE[/url]


Even so, I find no document permitting the use of a non-cloth material for the scapular.

In fact, the above quoted pamphlet goes on to describe the preference of Pope St. Pius X for the cloth scapular:



[quote]N.B.-Those careful to adhere to the wording of decrees should note that although all the Indulgences of all the Scapulars (18 in number) are attached to this medal, the distinguishing reward of assured salvation, attached to the Brown Scapular (and making this devotion of Our Lady of Mount Carmel primary among devotions to Mary), is not mentioned in the Papal decree on the medal. The Rev. A. J. Vermeersch, S.J., interpreting the institution of the medal (which was primarily granted for natives in the tropics, who could not fittingly wear the cloth Scapulars), said: “I would prefer that, in order to honour the principal Scapular, which is that of Carmel, the Brown Scapular be worn in the accustomed form and the medal only as a substitute for the other Scapulars, in order that one may not have to wear too many.” Pope Pius X himself, who made the Scapular medal decree, in an audience with the Venerable Joseph Recorder said: “I did not intend that the Scapular medal should supplant the Brown Scapular in Europe and America.” “I wear the cloth,” his Holiness added, “let us never take it off!”

Therefore, although we may have the faculty to bless the medal for the Brown Scapular as well as for other Scapulars, we should be conscious of our responsibility to preserve the dignity of the Brown Scapular, to which Mary has attached her promise of protection even unto salvation. Except in case of, good reason, we should not countenance the use of a medal in its place.

“Its nobility of origin, its venerable antiquity, its extraordinary spread in the Church, the spiritualising effects produced by it and the outstanding miracles worked in virtue of it, render the Scapular of Carmel commendable to a wondrous degree.” (Leo XIII.)[/quote]

Edited May 1, 2012 by Innocent

[arfink]

OK, so I have been doing the math on this thing. First of all, observe this:

[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5pFYe_176Xo/T6V81I0HfTI/AAAAAAAABkQ/fWV8vBFBouM/s800/ohyeah.png[/img]

Right now I still need another thousand dollars or so. I estimate this will take me maybe 6-10 weeks. CROUTONS. I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!

I will be doing a small Kickstarter campaign so that I can reduce the waiting time, maybe. Items that will for-sure be included will be:

-A Marian "medal" made of wood or plastic (more like a pendant)
-A "Phat Pham" pendant or some sort, unless dUSt forbids me to use the Phatmass name.
-A laser-cut rubber band gun
-A laser-engraved wooden art plaque thing (probably a Madonna, since she is amesome) that I'll clean and varnish to be even more amesome
-And for the super-high-roller folks I would even do a one of a kind art piece.

Stay tuned for details on all this stuff.

[arfink]

OK, so I have been doing some research and though I'd share.

These are some of the commonly available laser-engraved Catholic items I have found. Most of them are *quite* badly designed, and none of them really show off what a laser engraver can do.

[img]http://www.giftscatholic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/H/C/HC1425.jpg[/img]
Whoah man, it's like, ya know, the 70s!

[img]http://www.giftscatholic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x265/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/R/B/RB1412.jpg[/img]
Really? You used a laser engraver to make that? Why bother?

[img]http://static.trinityroad.com/prod/500/3022011.jpg[/img]
This one is especially bad.

[img]http://www.thecatholicgiftstore.com/images/uploads/pa3002.jpg[/img]
And so is this one.

[cmotherofpirl]

I don't like any of them. Now this on the other hand:
[url="http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/laser-cut-wood-room-divider-screen-by-ronmacken-on-etsy"]http://www.kaboodle....nmacken-on-etsy[/url]

[url="http://www.lightwavelaser.com/wall-art.htm"]http://www.lightwavelaser.com/wall-art.htm[/url]

[brianthephysicist]

I actually like the box. I could see myself buying that. If I had spending money.

[arfink]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1336589377' post='2429187']
I don't like any of them. Now this on the other hand:
[url="http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/laser-cut-wood-room-divider-screen-by-ronmacken-on-etsy"]http://www.kaboodle....nmacken-on-etsy[/url]

[url="http://www.lightwavelaser.com/wall-art.htm"]http://www.lightwave...om/wall-art.htm[/url]
[/quote]

That's that kind of stuff one should make with a laser cutter. Something, ya know, WORTHY of having been made with one.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='arfink' timestamp='1336589572' post='2429189']
That's that kind of stuff one should make with a laser cutter. Something, ya know, WORTHY of having been made with one.
[/quote]

EXACTLY !!! or maybe something from the book of Kells, or St Francis etc.

[Innocent]

Arfink, I thought of you today when I read this article:



[CODE]http://www.wired.com/design/2012/05/danger-amesome/[/CODE]

To obtain the correct link, please make the appropriate change to the last word to undo the mischief caused by the
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Edited May 17, 2012 by Innocent

[Papist]

[img]http://www.jenoptik.com/en-laser-machines-laser-cutting-metal/$file/LM-laser-machines-automotive-laser-cutting-3d-metal-component.jpg[/img]

[arfink]

That's a very very expensive laser Papist.