Ron Paul Supporters Here?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1334949365' post='2421345']

[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]Ron Paul is helping Mitt Romney. It's been obvious for months. You'd think Paul's followers would be outraged by this -- but they're not.[/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]The Paul-Romney alliance means the race's most ideologically pure fiscal conservative has effectively [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out"]sold out[/url] to the least conservative, least consistent, most establishmentarian candidate in the field. Romney favors the basic concept of progressive taxation and a government's right to compel citizens to purchase health insurance. It's unthinkable that he would, if elected, end the Federal Reserve. Alone among the candidates, he insists that there be no cuts to any military spending. All these stances are anathema to Paul's staunchly absolutist world view.[/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]On paper, you would think Romney would be the chief subject of attacks from the Paul campaign, which has, in its television ads, been more unapologetically negative than any other. Paul has run[url="http://youtu.be/jSVi45vfA6o"]one ad[/url] that slams all three of his rivals -- Newt Gingrich ("serial hypocrite"), Rick Santorum ("counterfeit conservative") and Romney ("flip-flopper). But that's nothing compared to the attacks he's unleashed pointed solely at Santorum ("[url="http://youtu.be/cgNJBdTaKE8"]fake[/url]," "[url="http://youtu.be/5Aohgrn1peA"]a record of betrayal[/url]") and Gingrich ("[url="http://youtu.be/hRdqGKA782A"]selling access[/url]").[/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]Romney is the major only candidate Paul hasn't singled out in an ad. And Paul's ads against his competitors have been far more brutal than anything Romney or his super PAC have put on the airwaves. In crucial stages of the GOP primary thus far, he's put hundreds of thousands of dollars behind these ads, helping squelch Santorum and Gingrich when they posed the most danger to Romney's candidacy.[/font][/color]
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[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]Read more: [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/"]http://www.theatlant...sellout/253805/[/url][/font][/color]
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Saw that theory when it was first offered. It was funny then; it's funny now.

[Winchester]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1334953575' post='2421381']
Hasan, I never thought I would ever say this, but we actually agree [i]100% [/i]on this! Ron Paul has a good record (Except for that 50% pro-choice voting record he has under his belt), but he's an absolute sell-out. If you take notice at the debates, he only goes after Romney's biggest threat. You can take notice of that if you look at South Carolina debate(s), Florida debate(s), and all of the debates when Santorum was the big candidate. All the while, he never gives Romney any notice, when if anything Romney is the one that disagrees most with his supposed policies. I'm sure he's a good guy, but he's a sell-out, and that's not what we need right now.

Now that my opinion has been said, I must take my leave. Differences of opinions are permitted, and I am fine with that. This is one of the few rights that we still have, though Obama has been going after that as well so I don't expect to have it for much longer.
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[i]Supposed [/i]policies.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1334958360' post='2421409']
Im voting for Paul Atreides.
[/quote]interesting. Paul chose the death of the human race when he walked into the desert, forcing his son to go through a 3500 year hell to prevent extinction. What a guy

[Aloysius]

Paul was never allied with Romney, he was attacking other anti-Romneys because he was hoping to take the anti-Romney vote, he wanted to be the alternative to Romney candidate. he has harshly attacked Romney in plenty of ads, the fact that he turned his attention to Santorum and Gingrich for a bit does not mean he will sell out to Romney at all. it is unlikely he would accept any position in a Romney administration, he is idealogically opposed to the man, and he has been consistent about that. the media basically made up the Romney so-called alliance because they got a little bored and wanted to try to stir up something.

calling Ron Paul a sellout is laughable, out of all the politicians he is the furthest from sell-out you can get. you attack the candidates whose supporters might flock to you if you were to knock them out. Romney supporters were not likely to go to Paul, Santorum supporters and even Gingrich supporters would have been more likely to jump to the Paul ship if they saw that as the only way to stop Romney.

Edited April 21, 2012 by Aloysius

[southern california guy]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1334949365' post='2421345']
[color=#000000]Ron Paul is helping Mitt Romney. It's been obvious for months. You'd think Paul's followers would be outraged by this -- but they're not.[/color]
[color=#000000]The Paul-Romney alliance means the race's most ideologically pure fiscal conservative has effectively [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out"]sold out[/url] to the least conservative, least consistent, most establishmentarian candidate in the field. Romney favors the basic concept of progressive taxation and a government's right to compel citizens to purchase health insurance. It's unthinkable that he would, if elected, end the Federal Reserve. Alone among the candidates, he insists that there be no cuts to any military spending. All these stances are anathema to Paul's staunchly absolutist world view.[/color]
[color=#000000]On paper, you would think Romney would be the chief subject of attacks from the Paul campaign, which has, in its television ads, been more unapologetically negative than any other. Paul has run[url="http://youtu.be/jSVi45vfA6o"]one ad[/url] that slams all three of his rivals -- Newt Gingrich ("serial hypocrite"), Rick Santorum ("counterfeit conservative") and Romney ("flip-flopper). But that's nothing compared to the attacks he's unleashed pointed solely at Santorum ("[url="http://youtu.be/cgNJBdTaKE8"]fake[/url]," "[url="http://youtu.be/5Aohgrn1peA"]a record of betrayal[/url]") and Gingrich ("[url="http://youtu.be/hRdqGKA782A"]selling access[/url]").[/color]
[color=#000000]Romney is the major only candidate Paul hasn't singled out in an ad. And Paul's ads against his competitors have been far more brutal than anything Romney or his super PAC have put on the airwaves. In crucial stages of the GOP primary thus far, he's put hundreds of thousands of dollars behind these ads, helping squelch Santorum and Gingrich when they posed the most danger to Romney's candidacy.[/color]
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[color=#000000]Read more: [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/"]http://www.theatlant...sellout/253805/[/url][/color]
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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334959457' post='2421421']
Saw that theory when it was first offered. It was funny then; it's funny now.
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Yeah it's just another conspiracy theory.

Maybe.. just maybe.. the truth is that Paul is trying to help Obama!

Really who is going to vote for a loony Mormon who switches his position so often that nobody knows what he really believes? Especially one who looks and acts like a Hollywood actor trying to play a role as President.

Edited April 21, 2012 by southern california guy

[XIX]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1334975466' post='2421510']
calling Ron Paul a sellout is laughable, out of all the politicians he is the furthest from sell-out you can get. you attack the candidates whose supporters might flock to you if you were to knock them out. Romney supporters were not likely to go to Paul, Santorum supporters and even Gingrich supporters would have been more likely to jump to the Paul ship if they saw that as the only way to stop Romney.
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The only problem with that strategy is that, everywhere I went, the strategy was to keep Romney from collecting 1,144 delegates. Ron Paul needed a brokered convention.

[Aloysius]

he still does. it's still not guaranteed that Romney will get the delegate votes necessary. it's likely, but not guaranteed, and Paul has been getting more than he was projected as some of the convention processes in other states continue; though the establishment people are changing rules and cheating at every turn to try to stop it. I'm personally on a ballot to be a delegate for Ron Paul right now.

anyway, the point was that attacking Romney in the debates was not the most likely thing to help him. although I bet if he had been given more time in the debates, he might have attacked Romney a bit more. the media narrative that he wasn't attacking Romney at all was generally off-base, though, because he had scathing ads against Romney. I remember at one point the media decided he had turned against his ally when they saw the ad "Three of a Kind" that attacked all 3 of his opponents... problem was that ad had been being used since January/February. because Romney was never an ally. it was a made-up non-story, based upon certain people's subjective impressions they got from debates that consistently gave Paul very little time to speak.

Edited April 21, 2012 by Aloysius

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1334965688' post='2421467']
interesting. Paul chose the death of the human race when he walked into the desert, forcing his son to go through a 3500 year hell to prevent extinction. What a guy
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MUAD DIB!!

[XIX]

[quote]anyway, the point was that attacking Romney in the debates was not the most likely thing to help him.
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Yes, yes it was.

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1334977813' post='2421521']
he still does. it's still not guaranteed that Romney will get the delegate votes necessary.[/quote]

[Aloysius]

I disagree, and so did his very professional campaign organizers and debate coachers, it would seem. It's hard to really say what the best strategy is, but he had some veteran political advisors and I think they were at one point working a strategy to attempt to knock out the other non-romney contenders so that Paul could be seen as the true conservative alternative to Romney. brokered convention was always their backup, because everyone knows that the GOP leadership will lie, cheat, and break their own rules to make what they want to happen at their own convention happen (and since it's an intra-party affair, much of their cheating can be done without interference of any pesky election laws).

but again, Paul had ads that attacked Romney. the story was made up from the beginning. and I'm not sure how much the supposed lack of attacking romney in the debates was due to the lack of getting any time at all to talk in the debates.