Socrates Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I've gotten back to rantin' and ravin' about the Constitution, the HHS Mandate, those damned liberals, and much more in my blog [url="http://www.thegregorianrant.com"]Gregorian Rants[/url]. Y'all are welcome to sign in to comment, criticize, tear my opinions apart - just as long as it's kept charitable and on-topic. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 :waves: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kujo Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1334783317' post='2420383'] I've gotten back to rantin' and ravin' about the Constitution, the HHS Mandate, those damned liberals, and much more in my blog [url="http://www.thegregorianrant.com"]Gregorian Rants[/url]. Y'all are welcome to sign in to comment, criticize, tear my opinions apart - just as long as it's kept charitable and on-topic. Thanks. [/quote] Miss you around here. No one calls me an idiot-liberal-pansy quite like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1334815633' post='2420515'] Miss you around here. No one calls me an idiot-liberal-pansy quite like you. [/quote] I second this. There is no one here with whom I have more fun disagreeing than you Soc! And there is absolutely no one else I'd rather pit against our Hassanic overlord, mainly because watching you to go at it is such fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 You should return until your conversion to anarcho-Catholicism is complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1334815633' post='2420515'] Miss you around here. No one calls me an idiot-liberal-pansy quite like you. [/quote] Idiot-liberal-pansy? Nah, I think of you more as a cute kid playing with your own poo. [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334848172' post='2420608'] You should return until your conversion to anarcho-Catholicism is complete. [/quote] Nah, I prefer being an Evil Statist Oppressor. Kind of like the Pope. I want my own special funny hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1334954844' post='2421390'] Nah, I prefer being an Evil Statist Oppressor. Kind of like the Pope. I want my own special funny hat. [/quote] You've already made arguments against statism. All that's lacking is one or two books by Rothbard. Read Tom Woods, yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Guess just about anyone these days feels they have to blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizabeth09 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Just that way here at my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334959820' post='2421429'] You've already made arguments against statism. All that's lacking is one or two books by Rothbard. Read Tom Woods, yet? [/quote] Actually, I've read and own at least five books by Dr. Woods. He has good arguments with regards to economics and Constitutional issues. But he's a conservative-libertarian, not an anarchist. As you can probably surmise, my "statist oppressor" remarks were tongue-and-cheek. I'm a conservative who believes in limited government, and opposes all-encompassing "statism," but anarchism remains nonsense. Just because an opposite form of lunacy (socialistic statism) is in power does not make anarchism any less lunacy. The reality is that you can't have a functioning free market without some kind of state to protect property rights. Otherwise, it's the law of the jungle. Without some kind of state to enforce rule of law, you cannot have any form of society or commerce higher than primitive tribalism. Anarcho-capitalism is fairies and unicorns fantasy. One may as well waste one's time and energy discussing and debating whether people should be governed by magical flying unicorns. It would have as much relation to reality. And as anarchism is blatantly contrary to both Scripture and 2000 years of Catholic teaching, "anarcho-Catholicism" is just as nonsensical as "Communisto-Catholicism." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Anarchism is nothing more than voluntary society. How is that contrary to scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1335966788' post='2426048'] Anarchism is nothing more than voluntary society. How is that contrary to scripture? [/quote]1 Peter 2 [sup][size=2]13 [/size][/sup][b]Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority,[/b][b] [sup][size=2]14 [/size][/sup]or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. [/b][sup][size=2]15 [/size][/sup]For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. [sup][size=2]16 [/size][/sup]Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. [sup][size=2]17 [/size][/sup]Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. Edited May 2, 2012 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1335983890' post='2426132'] 1 Peter 2 [sup][size=2]13 [/size][/sup][b]Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority,[/b][b] [sup][size=2]14 [/size][/sup]or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. [/b][sup][size=2]15 [/size][/sup]For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. [sup][size=2]16 [/size][/sup]Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. [sup][size=2]17 [/size][/sup]Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. [/quote] Authority is an important word. No one has authority to command immorality. I needn't obey any law which has not the character of justice. That passage does not set a requirement to have a state, merely that one should obey "all human authority". See above restriction regarding authority. So long as I do not use my freedom as a cover for evil, I am to live as a free person. We are clearly free to set up voluntary societies. If that passage prescribed the existence of a state, anyone living outside of a state would be a sin. You couldn't explore. You would have to fly under the flag of a nation on the high seas, or risk your immortal soul. The writer of that passage died whilst not submitting to a human power. Apparently, he did not intend for us to submit to mere power, but only to authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 http://www.coss.fsu.edu/economics/sites/coss.fsu.edu.economics/files/users/bbenson/spontaneous-1989.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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