reyb Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1335366930' post='2423176'] Incorrect. You told me/us that I/we are following a different Jesus than you. I/we are not accepting what you say. When St. Paul refers to Jesus, he is referring to the Son of God, the second Person of the Trinity. What St. Paul is talking about in that verse you posted is that beware of people who come preaching and claim what they are teaching is the Good News of Jesus Christ, but are actually not teaching the Good News of Jesus Christ. Hence, this Jesus they are talking of does not exist. Therefore, only one true Jesus Christ exist. i.e. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. NOTE: My interpretation of scripture is not infallible [/quote] So, there are teacher who preached a 'non-existent' Jesus different from their Jesus. And these same teachers are preaching about a 'gospel of Christ' which is actually 'no gospel' at all. Do you see it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335367764' post='2423181'] So, there are teacher who preached a 'non-existent' Jesus different from their Jesus. And these same teachers are preaching about a 'gospel of Christ' which is actually 'no gospel' at all. Do you see it now? [/quote] Yes. I recognized it in your first post. I encourage you to stop preaching falsehood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1335269344' post='2422583'] and your breaking my heart calling people pathetic man, even if the whole catholic answer diddy is 100% authentic straight and direct with full effect from the holy spirit to a presiding pope, if you knew church doctrine than you would also know that sin is not present without full knowledge that something is a sin,and would not be so quick to address anyone as pathetic,block head,idiot and such names. Jesus' states to not call anyone idiot or block head' i assume even if the person is and i'm not saying you are reyb. [/quote] Gotta call this one out - that's not correct. Sin exists whether we know it's a sin or not. A [i]mortal[/i] sin is not mortal if the sinner doesn't know it's a mortal sin, but it's still a sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335365441' post='2423167'] So you can see that there is another Jesus. [/quote] Which "Jesus" do you believe, we believe in? Which "Jesus" do you believe in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 well, it sure is interesting talking to people who have made up their own reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1335369603' post='2423191'] Yes. I recognized it in your first post. I encourage you to stop preaching falsehood. [/quote] What falsehood? We just read Apostle Paul's letter about their Jesus and false teacher's Jesus. These two Jesuses is not one and the same Jesus. The other one is a lie - it does not exist. So, from who this 'non-existent Jesus' comes from? Edited April 25, 2012 by reyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335386024' post='2423324'] What falsehood? We just read Apostle Paul's letter about their Jesus and false teacher's Jesus. These two Jesuses is not one and the same Jesus. The other one is a lie - it does not exist. So, from who this 'non-existent Jesus' comes from? [/quote] Yes reyb, it's called heresy. Are you saying Catholics hold a heretical view of Christ? Please, for the sake of dicussion, be as specific and detailed as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335387087' post='2423336'] Yes reyb, it's called heresy. Are you saying Catholics hold a heretical view of Christ? Please, for the sake of dicussion, be as specific and detailed as possible. [/quote] Yes. Your early fathers are false teachers and they preached the historical realization of the coming of Christ, which is a lie and that is what they ‘handed on’ to you. Christ can be seen even up to now if only you will seek him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335393163' post='2423374'] Yes. Your early fathers are false teachers and they preached the historical realization of the coming of Christ, which is a lie and that is what they ‘handed on’ to you. Christ can be seen even up to now if only you will seek him. [/quote] Ok, you now made several accusations against us. I ask that you give some clarification: What is the "historical realization of the coming of Christ"? Do you disbelieve in the Second Coming of Christ? I have several other questions, but lets start with the one above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335398523' post='2423417'] Ok, you now made several accusations against us. I ask that you give some clarification: What is the "historical realization of the coming of Christ"? Do you disbelieve in the Second Coming of Christ? I have several other questions, but lets start with the one above. [/quote] Historical realization of the coming of Christ is the fulfilment of the historical coming of the Messiah of the Jews named Jesus as foretold by the holy prophets. This belief or ‘orally transmitted tradition’ is according to your early fathers and even today --. you call it ‘salvation history’ which was truthfully accepted by all Christians of our times. Now, regarding second coming: It is written in Acts 1:10-11 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." Therefore, if you believe in that historical event about the coming of the Jesus then you must also believe - in the same way he will come - and that is, he will come back again in our world of realities or physical realities. (I quoted the above verses because I know that is how you see these verses) Both of these 'comings' are lies or I do not accept to be true. I am not saying that the message of acts is wrong. What I am saying is your interpretation to these verse is the one 'erroneous' and not the message of the letter itself. Edited April 26, 2012 by reyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335406005' post='2423457'] Both of these 'comings' are lies or I do not accept to be true. I am not saying that the message of acts is wrong. What I am saying is your interpretation to these verse is the one 'erroneous' and not the message of the letter itself. [/quote] reyb, What are the two "comings"? The coming of the Messiah and the second coming of Christ? Are these the two things you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335408847' post='2423471'] reyb, What are the two "comings"? The coming of the Messiah and the second coming of Christ? Are these the two things you disagree with? [/quote] Yes. Both of them. The first coming which was happened more or less 2000 years ago and the second which is to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335415445' post='2423506'] Yes. Both of them. The first coming which was happened more or less 2000 years ago and the second which is to come. [/quote] And those are lies in your opinion? Jesus will not be returning? Edited April 26, 2012 by mortify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335416389' post='2423511'] And those are lies in your opinion? Jesus will not be returning? [/quote] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='reyb' timestamp='1335426327' post='2423530'] Yes. [/quote] Yes, He is returning? Or Yes, He is not returning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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