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qfnol31

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[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1334744502' post='2420098']


LORF!

not really. The FSSP was founded by members of the SSPX who thought they went too far with their refusal to submit to the Pope. I go to an FSSP parish once in a while, esp if I need a really orthodox confessor
[/quote]While I know quite a few people who switch back and forth between the two, the charisms of the two fraternities are very different.

I really hope that the followers of both stop some of their rampant hatred of the Church as a whole though. I don't want these people to continue fighting the Holy Father in light of the humility and leadership that Bishop Fellay has demonstrated.

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cmaD2006

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See following link:

[url="http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1201572.htm"]http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1201572.htm[/url]

It does confirm that Bishop Fellay did respond, but the article says that he did ask for changes in the text of the doctrinal preamble. Long story short -- the issue isn't resolved just yet.

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Right, which is what the text above notes. It is a big step though. I am convinced reconcilation will happen. Also, I do not trust CNS since they have been associating with anti-Catholic groups for a while now. That is all.

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I think this is all very PREMATURE. Read what is on the SSPX site itself as of now. Nothing is signed or sealed yet:
"At least one Vatican insider has posited that Bishop Fellay gave a “positive” response and also signed in acceptance a modified form of the Doctrinal Preamble. However, speaking today to the French news agency, APIC, SSPX spokesman, Fr. Alain Lorans states that while a “clarified Preamble” was sent to Rome with Bishop Fellay’s reply, beyond these facts one is “speaking too prematurely” when referring to an imminent agreement between the SSPX and Rome. Fr. Lorans went on to clarify that Bishop Fellay’s response is simply another step “in a stage of studies” and that “not everything is already fixed” for an agreement.”

[url="http://sspx.org/theological_commission/whats_going_on_with_sspx_and_rome_4-18-2012.htm"]http://sspx.org/theological_commission/whats_going_on_with_sspx_and_rome_4-18-2012.htm[/url]

AND: [font="Verdana"][size="5"][color="#bd1700"]"SSPX General House Communiqué[/color][/size][/font]
[center][img]http://sspx.org/theological_commission/dici_fsspx89.jpg[/img][/center]

[font="Verdana"][size="2"]4-18-2012

The media are announcing that Bishop Bernard Fellay has sent a “[i]positive response[/i]” to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and that consequently the doctrinal question between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X is now resolved.

The reality is different.

In a letter dated April 17, 2012, the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X responded to the request for clarification that had been made to him on March 16 by Cardinal William Levada concerning the Doctrinal Preamble delivered on September 14, 2011. As the press release dated today from the [i]Ecclesia Dei[/i]Commission indicates, the text of this response “[i]will be examined by the dicastery[/i] (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) [i]then submitted to the Holy Father for his judgment[/i]”.

This is therefore a stage and not a conclusion.

Menzingen, April 18, 2012."[/size][/font]
[url="http://sspx.org/theological_commission/general_house_communique_4-18-2012.htm"]http://sspx.org/theological_commission/general_house_communique_4-18-2012.htm[/url]


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CMoon72

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This is a good thing, right? I mean I don't know much about them, but they seem like they just wanna be Catholic. And doesn't it seem a little fishy that groups like the LWCR are ok, but these guys aren't? I just don't get it.

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[quote name='CMoon72' timestamp='1334861766' post='2420743']
This is a good thing, right? I mean I don't know much about them, but they seem like they just wanna be Catholic. And doesn't it seem a little fishy that groups like the LWCR are ok, but these guys aren't? I just don't get it.
[/quote]LWCR was just informed that it must reform immediately. :)

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[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1334863080' post='2420753']
LWCR was just informed that it must reform immediately. :)
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That's good. But what happens when they don't. Do they become "irregular" too? Or do they get to continue on? In the parusing of this stuff, it sure seems like the progressives get a lot more slack than the traditionals...or am I just crazy? Look at what's going on in Germany, as another example.

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[quote name='CMoon72' timestamp='1334863898' post='2420764']
That's good. But what happens when they don't. Do they become "irregular" too? Or do they get to continue on? In the parusing of this stuff, it sure seems like the progressives get a lot more slack than the traditionals...or am I just crazy? Look at what's going on in Germany, as another example.
[/quote]It really depends on the action. In this case the bishops received excommunication under Canon Law. If a bishop tries to ordain women etc. he also receives excommunication by the same law.

Article on LWCR:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-04-18/american-nuns-vatican/54396560/1

Article on Call to Action (very liberal group):
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=48072

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Totus Tuus

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but the article says that he did ask for changes in the text of the doctrinal preamble.
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Geeze. IMHO, having a LOT of personal experience with these people, nothing is going to change until they submit wholeheartedly to the authority of someone other than themselves. It might be a step that they have signed this preamble, but the fact that it was only done after bending to THEIR wishes is a sign to me that they're still not ready to change (because that's what they need to do -- stop expecting the Church to change for them and start realizing that they are wrong).

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(because that's what they need to do -- stop expecting the Church to change for them and start realizing that they are wrong).
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I dont' disagree with you at all, but when you think about it....well... the Church [i]did[/i] change....pretty abruptly....(for some, literally overnight!) and it has been difficult for some people to accept it...

Teh last 40 years have been brutal to traditionalists. I think Holy Mother church is very merciful, and if the SSPX desires more of what they have fought hard for, and the Vatican agrees, it can't be wrong...

I'm praying that the Holy Spirit come upon their hearts and that their regularization comes sooner than later! :amen:

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