Where Is The Line Drawn?

[kujo]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1334688496' post='2419608']
I'm concerned with the bullying.
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As am I. I recently had to be physically removed from a bar because some frat guy thought it would be funny to send over what he called a "f*ggot cocktail" to my buddy Travis. I won't describe what was in the pint glass, but suffice to say that I took the glass, chucked it at his bright-white shoes and then beat the snot out of him. Good thing I knew the owners of the bar, who took me out before anyone could call the cops.

Edited April 17, 2012 by kujo

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1334688088' post='2419603']
Is anyone else--of any political and religious bent-- sick and tired of the "clash of civilizations" rhetoric used in this country in regards to gay people? I mean, you can have any opinion you want on their lifestyle, but really, who gives a croutons? It's none of your business what they do.
[/quote]
The Libertarianish part of me tends to agree.

The however-much-repressed-and-inept theological side of me wonders how to square that first opinion with us all being part of the body of Christ...of sin (however hidden) having societal impacts....Am my brother's keeper, except here, and except there???


I struggle with this...just being honest.

[kujo]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1334688782' post='2419614']
The Libertarianish part of me tends to agree.

The however-much-repressed-and-inept theological side of me wonders how to square that first opinion with us all being part of the body of Christ...of sin (however hidden) having societal impacts....Am my brother's keeper, except here, and except there???


I struggle with this...just being honest.
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I think Christians of all stripes should stop taking it upon themselves to "save" gay people. I happen to believe that the Catholic Church's stance on how to "deal" with homosexuals is the most prudent in all of Christendom, but I still don't agree with it at its core--thus the "phishy" tag.

Nevertheless, you can't fix people. You can speak to them lovingly and without malice or judgement in your heart, and then love them when they don't "change" because of your words. Actions are better, especially as it pertains to this issue. So many jerks out there calling gay people awful names get a lot of attention, but the loving person who doesn't insult, or judge, or condone will also be noticed on an individual level. It's the mother Teresa approach...

[Brother Adam]

Yes, there is far too much of a focus on homosexuality, however its a fight we did not ask for, much like the contraception mandate. I have many friends, mostly from high school engaged in a homosexual lifestyle. Creating a culture around being "gay", flying flags, organizing marches, and having 'gay' districts, has always struck me as a strange response from those promoting it as legitimate.

I love what our bishop recently said about fraternal correction, it is an act of listening, not an act of getting something off your chest. Only when listening and understanding another person, only when earning the right to be heard and acting out of an abundant concern for the good of the other, in friendship, can we have an effect. Only when we understand caritas will there be any progress.

The Catholic response to homosexuality is complex - after all we are not nominalists. It is rooted in faith and reason and is concerned for what is truly good for the other. I don't want you to engage homosexual acts because I think I am right and you are wrong, but because I am worried that it is not what will fulfill you and make you happy, that it is not what is best for you as a person. Similar with abortion rights, where we believe abortion truly harms another person, and doesn't just harm, but seriously infringes upon their dignity as an act of violence, even when a woman wills it done to herself. We believe that to engage in a homosexual lifestyle, even when someone wills it or has a predisposition to it, harms the freedom and dignity of the individual. Yes, there is also a social concern especially when it comes to education and children.

The flag thing is mostly annoying, however a senseless waste of time to focus on. When they fly North Korea or Irans flag over a US military base, then I am interested.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1334689129' post='2419616']
I think Christians of all stripes should stop taking it upon themselves to "save" gay people. I happen to believe that the Catholic Church's stance on how to "deal" with homosexuals is the most prudent in all of Christendom, but I still don't agree with it at its core--thus the "phishy" tag.

Nevertheless, you can't fix people. You can speak to them lovingly and without malice or judgement in your heart, and then love them when they don't "change" because of your words. Actions are better, especially as it pertains to this issue. So many jerks out there calling gay people awful names get a lot of attention, but the loving person who doesn't insult, or judge, or condone will also be noticed on an individual level. It's the mother Teresa approach...
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I think we are speaking english, but not commenting on the same thing.

I agree with most of what you said....perhaps the 'brother's keeper' part of what I said sparked this...

anyways, you owe me a beer.

[kujo]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1334690276' post='2419631']
I think we are speaking english, but not commenting on the same thing.

I agree with most of what you said....perhaps the 'brother's keeper' part of what I said sparked this...

anyways, you owe me a beer.
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[MIKolbe]

for a yankees fan, you aren't that dumb.

good job, i suppose...

[kujo]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1334690805' post='2419636']
for a yankees fan, you aren't that dumb.

good job, i suppose...
[/quote]

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[Autumn Dusk]

It's too bad I can't prop Kujo....but I agree.

Those who have purpously separated themselves from society...or the children of those don't have a right to complain about the downfall of society until they are being educated, working and living with the general public.

I'm people-you-see-frequently friends with gay men. Of the 3 I know best one seems very "normal' and dosn't express gay at all...except for getting hit on by gay guys and him talking about it I'd of never known. One of the guys I don't know well becuase he's very pushy...the preacher type. The other is AIDS/HIV positive, he's sorry for how he got the disease and he knows it's is fault. He knows that he will never find sexual love the way he wants it (becuase he'd transmit the disease) but now that he's in his 40's is trying to make the most of his life. I know of other gay people anywhere in between.

What I seem mostly is the desire to be recognized and affirmed...with 2 of the 3 men I really think they needed to be hugged more as children...especally with the 2nd guy I mentioned...his identity is wrapped up in being "gay".

It's no different than the basketball captian being known as a player...and in male circles it's very celebrated.

What would be better is to encourage healther identities that don't separate us....however I think as soon as people like wesboro baptists and other anti-homosexual go away so will many of those who claim to be homosexual.

Infact...being bisexual/transexual is the new razzle dazzle thing...being gay is old news. There's another buzz word around that isn't even much accepted by the homosexual community...I can't remember what it was, but I was schocked that the gay students were so vehimitaly opposed to it. (they were talking in the caf)

[4588686]

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Edited April 17, 2012 by Hasan

[Lilllabettt]

whether you are happy-clappy with gay pride or not ... surely flying that particular flag is a thing most unwise in AFGHANISTAN?

[BG45]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1334702570' post='2419820']
whether you are happy-clappy with gay pride or not ... surely flying that particular flag is a thing most unwise in AFGHANISTAN?
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I'd think that at first (and still do to an extent), but without the Taliban enforcing its theocratic rules against everything, a practice of "prettying" young orphan boys and selling them for sex has come back into the spotlight in the country...at least according to PBS's Frontline episode "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan". It's a very chilling and stomach turning episode...

[Winchester]

[quote name='she_who_is_not' timestamp='1334686706' post='2419577']
Radical homosexual lobby? Really?
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Have you seen the radical homosexual atrium? They put in new lighting. It's fabulous.

[Winchester]

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[kujo]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334704604' post='2419836']

Have you seen the radical homosexual atrium? They put in new lighting. It's fabulous.
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Was going to go there, but decided against it. Glad someone else did.