Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1334254248' post='2416470'] You're starting to sound more rational. I'll respond in just a little while. Thanks for conversing with me. [/quote] I was never non rational to beign with 0.o You're the one who has seemingly taking this as a personal affont to religious vocation formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334252880' post='2416449']I really don't care who you hang out with/marry other than to give them my condolences.[/quote] classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1334254871' post='2416484'] The only reason I had any resources available on dating was that I was attending one of the most authentically Catholic universities in the country and at home I had an amazing priest as a spiritual director. There are no "singles nights" or anything like that in most dioceses. There aren't singles retreats. There aren't homilies given geared towards finding a spouse or discerning marriage. Also... you can't know for a fact that you are called to the religious life until you take solemn vows, and you can't know for a fact that you are called to the married life until you take vows. You can discern as much as you want until your face turns blue, but it takes actually getting married or actually professing solemn vows to be sure of your vocation. Thats why I think discerning a religious order/diocese is a crucial part of discerning religious life and dating/engagement to an individual is a crucial part to discerning marriage. In theory God could send you revelations of what you are called to while you are levetating off the floor of the chapel, but in practicality you have to pursue the vocation to discern it. I was 100% in love with the [u][b]idea [/b][/u]of becoming a priest before I visited a religious community and was bored out of my mind for two weeks straight. [/quote] Thanks slappo. There really isn't anything for singles and there's less for couples. I have been involved in young adult ministries for years and had casual boyfriends. Now that I have a serious boyfriend I feel persona non grata. There ARE young adult ministries where I'm from but they are either very chummy and closed off, or have way too much "group date" feel, or are all about vocations, moreso the former and latter. It seems there's a retreat every other weekend for this order or that order. But nothing for my boyfriend and I to both grow our faith, and no one to say that it's good we aren't living together except for the lifeteen kids who are glad we aren't "making purple". (boys are blue, girls are pink, don't make purple for those non-lifeteeners) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334253325' post='2416454'] I didn't say we're doomed at all and I took the paragraph verbatium. What in the world are you getting at? [b] I'm just saying there aren't any/enough resources that prepare teens and young adults for marriage. [/b] Most dioceses DO offer programs, retreats, conferences for those discerning religious vocations. They may throw in a marriage retreat here or there but it's rare and it's ment for those married a while. Those who don't have good examples at home (more often than not) and many times not in the church are stuck. I'm not saying we're doomed becuase society is messed up, but we are making life unnecessarly difficult for those who want to live a holy marriage/engagement/dating becuase the only resorces are sites that judge relationships by sex and living together. [/quote] to the bolded: i honestly think it varies. you just can't make gross generalizations like that for all of America and for all Catholic people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1334254469' post='2416476'] I can't see the video's when I'm on my work computer either. All I see is a blank space. Youtube is blocked on State computers because of bandwidth conservation (and likely almost every other non-youtube video link). And I can't see those video's when their posted by anyone j_lol winnie, etc. It always shows up as just a blank space about the size of a youtube video . [/quote] ah, thanks. didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334254955' post='2416487'] I was never non rational to beign with 0.o You're the one who has seemingly taking this as a personal affont to religious vocation formation. [/quote] You're kidding, right? I made ONE comment about there being more available to single people NOT pursuing religious life and suddenly I've taken this as "a personal affont to religious vocation formation"? SERIOUSLY? Please tell me you're not that dense and this is all a big act. PLEASE. All kidding aside, I don't take this as "a personal affont to religious vocation formation" at all. AT ALL. I'm just trying to balance out the "THE CHURCH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US SINGLE PEOPLE WANTING TO GET MARRIED" croutons. I said once that everyone has to be their own advocate, I'm not sure how many times (or how else) to say it. Seriously, though: more later. I don't have time enough at the present moment to be as articulate as I'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1334255382' post='2416492'] to the bolded: i honestly think it varies. you just can't make gross generalizations like that for all of America and for all Catholic people. [/quote] Ok, at the very least New England & the Northeast US. Since I've been very close to several dioces that cover several metroplous' and many states I can say with pretty good confidence that it's not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334255598' post='2416497'] Ok, at the very least New England & the Northeast US. Since I've been very close to several dioces that cover several metroplous' and many states I can say with pretty good confidence that it's not there. [/quote] so you're going to speak for every Catholic person in those dioceses? lol, i think that's silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 at this point, i'm backing out of these threads, because i have a totally different experience than you, AD, and I think it's fruitless to continue to talk past each other. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1334255553' post='2416495'] You're kidding, right? I made ONE comment about there being more available to single people NOT pursuing religious life and suddenly I've taken this as "a personal affont to religious vocation formation"? SERIOUSLY? Please tell me you're not that dense and this is all a big act. PLEASE. All kidding aside, I don't take this as "a personal affont to religious vocation formation" at all. AT ALL. I'm just trying to balance out the "THE CHURCH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US SINGLE PEOPLE WANTING TO GET MARRIED" croutons. I said once that everyone has to be their own advocate, I'm not sure how many times (or how else) to say it. Seriously, though: more later. I don't have time enough at the present moment to be as articulate as I'd like. [/quote] I'm not kidding. I'm not the one who wrote a book trying to disprove me, either. You're the one who made the comment and in my experiance...working directly or indirecty with dioceses and having to sit through every mass where we completely ignore families in our prayer requests...except for the week after Christmas..I think your opinion is the more dangerous one. Just where do you think vocations come from? I never said the church dosn't care, and I AM trying to find an apropriate place to have something which would be a great resource to Phatmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1334255662' post='2416498'] so you're going to speak for every Catholic person in those dioceses? lol, i think that's silly. [/quote] I'm speaking on what is comming out of the diocese not the individual person. Usually what the dioceses prolifierates is repeated at a parish level. For instance the Boston Dio had a terrific small christian community program called arize and you could find it at many churches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334255825' post='2416500'] I'm not kidding. I'm not the one who wrote a book trying to disprove me, either. [/quote] I do talk a lot. I've learned to be okay with that, though. [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334255825' post='2416500'] Just where do you think vocations come from? [/quote] Well, until I saw that sign on Facebook (you know, the colorful one in front of what appears to be a coffee shop), I thought maybe gay boys. But then... well, yeah. [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334255825' post='2416500'] I never said the church dosn't care, and I AM trying to find an apropriate place to have something which would be a great resource to Phatmass. [/quote] Wait... you mean something like the whole section of the phorum dedicated to family life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1334256037' post='2416504'] Wait... you mean something like the whole section of the phorum dedicated to family life? [/quote] It's dedicated to raising kids. Not the actual figuring out who to do it with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Perhaps instead of this incessant cat fighting and feeble attempts at one-upsmanship, which really gives a poor christian example, how about we all be attempt to be part of the solution by finding, posting, organizing some positive resources on the vocation of marriage. That way, when this thread is bumped in 2 years, or someone new comes in huffing 'there's nothing on the vocation of marriage!!'; we can say, 'dude (dudette) chill, yo.. we gotcha covered like white on rice!' But then, I'm a hippie and stuff. And we should pray too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1334256224' post='2416507'] Perhaps instead of this incessant cat fighting and feeble attempts at one-upsmanship, which really gives a poor christian example, how about we all be attempt to be part of the solution by finding, posting, organizing some positive resources on the vocation of marriage. That way, when this thread is bumped in 2 years, or someone new comes in huffing 'there's nothing on the vocation of marriage!!'; we can say, 'dude (dudette) chill, yo.. we gotcha covered like white on rice!' But then, I'm a hippie and stuff. And we should pray too. [/quote] Hippie! I'm a hippo though. [img]http://a-z-animals.com/media/animals/images/470x370/hippo10.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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