Santorum

[MissyP89]

Clearly, the only solution is to get a Phatmasser into the White House. Isn't that in our mission statement ... infiltrating the whole world?





*sigh* I really hate this. I don't want to vote for Romney. I don't want to vote third party because I don't want to give Obama a millimeter of advantage.

We've got to change this system. But it's difficult not to feel helpless.

Edited April 10, 2012 by MissyP89

[BG45]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1334092026' post='2415495']
*sigh* I really hate this. I don't want to vote for Romney. I don't want to vote third party because I don't want to give Obama a millimeter of advantage.

[/quote]

This sounds suspiciously like the McCain/Obama talk...

So what PMer is old enough to run? We can all form a SuperPAC.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1334091219' post='2415486']
You have to love, politically, Romney's campaign digging up Santorum's endorsement of him in the last Republican race. Saying Romney was the only true conservative choice.[/quote]

I don't believe it helped Romney much though politically. Conservatives are no more convinced he is a conservative. But yeah it was a BIG mistake to say Romney, a Socialist Moderate, was a Conservative.


[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1334091219' post='2415486']I have in both my Presidential elections thus far...
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[Brother Adam]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1334092784' post='2415499']


This sounds suspiciously like the McCain/Obama talk...

So what PMer is old enough to run? We can all form a SuperPAC.
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Winchester 2012

[HomeTeamFamily]

I am just as frustrated at the options in this coming election cycle. I think the question we need to address is not conservative or liberal but rather what is the role of government. Having a big government conservative is no more helpful in the long run than having a big government liberal; we just get to feel better about ourselves because we tend to believe in the agenda that that government is pushing.

As sad as it may sound, maybe Obama winning will be good for the conservative wing long term, forcing it to reevaluate what it believes and hopefully framing the choices as "big versus little government" not "liberal versus conservative agenda"

[Clare~Therese]

This year I'm glad I can't vote yet.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334086344' post='2415454']
i can't risk that....sadly, voting third party means obama will surely win... we just can't have it... i want to vote third party too, i want to vote ron paul but he just doesn't have the numbers...he's just tooo way behind and obama will clobber romney without our support...


...hopefully, in the years to come, the third party candidate will be a viable contender....
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I'm pretty sure the Repub candidate will take our state even if you vote 3rd party. We should both write in Winnie.

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334086344' post='2415454']
i can't risk that....sadly, voting third party means obama will surely win... we just can't have it... i want to vote third party too, i want to vote ron paul but he just doesn't have the numbers...he's just tooo way behind and obama will clobber romney without our support...


...hopefully, in the years to come, the third party candidate will be a viable contender....
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The question is......is Romney that much better than Obama?

I'll make another thread sometime on this.



Santorum proved something. He went from a joke guy in a pickup in Iowa to a serious threat against Romney. This proves that one should not dismiss all the third-party losers right away. Just because the press hasn't pre-selected someone to win, doesn't mean they can't. Yes Santorum is very likely not going to make it. However, [b]NO ONE THOUGHT HE WOULD GET THIS FAR!!!![/b]

[b]Santorum is a miracle because he made it this far. [/b]

Whether you liked the guy or not, no one had money on this guy 4-5 months ago. He went terribly far given his initial starting position, and I'm sure he made Romney nervous for several weeks.

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334086415' post='2415455']
Anyone dumb enough to vote for Newt wasn't going to vote for anyone worth a croutons, anyway.

This:

Is why this:

Will never happen.
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Winchester you beat me to it.


Seriously though, if we start voting third party, then the percentage of people voting third party will start to rise and next election it will be higher and we keep going and they will eventually have to pay attention.

I'm not just voting for the world I want to live in for the next 4 years, I'm voting for the world I want to live in for the rest of my life and the life of my future children and grandchildren.

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='HomeTeamFamily' timestamp='1334094527' post='2415507']
I am just as frustrated at the options in this coming election cycle. I think the question we need to address is not conservative or liberal but rather what is the role of government. Having a big government conservative is no more helpful in the long run than having a big government liberal; we just get to feel better about ourselves because we tend to believe in the agenda that that government is pushing.

As sad as it may sound, maybe Obama winning will be good for the conservative wing long term, forcing it to reevaluate what it believes and hopefully framing the choices as "big versus little government" not "liberal versus conservative agenda"
[/quote]

Exactly.

[quote name='Clare~Therese' timestamp='1334094720' post='2415509']
This year I'm glad I can't vote yet.

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Because the person you want to win won't win?

We can't only be excited when our favorite person has a decent chance of winning. We have to be ready for losses. Voting in any scenario is not about relishing the thrill of being on the winning side, but rather the chance to vote for what you believe in.

[BG45]

"Vote Winchester. He's got the same name as a rifle and demon hunters. And he promises not to place Twilight Sparkle in charge of the Department of Education."

On a more serious note, since we're talking about the importance of voting...the first free elections in Iraq gave me a sense of awe when they happened. Militant groups promised to kill anyone who had ink on their thumb from having voted, and these groups did carry out attacks on polling places and people who voted. But the Iraqi people, when finally given a choice in who to vote for, turned out in droves. Despite it truly being a life-risking event, over half the population voted in the first free election in Iraq in decades.

We can't say the same here. So few people vote in the United States as a percentage of the population, that if you can mobilize a certain group to vote for you, you're swept into power. Obama did it with the youth. George W. Bush did it with the Evangelicals. People see how corrupt things are, how polarized and partisan things are, and how the Electoral College works...and this all tends to lead to a belief in apathy.

Sure, one vote, realistically, doesn't matter much on a national scale. But when you add those one votes up, they begin to make a difference. Santorum was a joke candidate essentially, like eagle eye said, and he made a tremendous comeback. Ron Paul, though mainly in the race for the sake of his issues and knowing he won't win, has still done better than he has in decades; if he chose to run third party, he would probably be one of the most successful in years to do so by stealing disaffected conservatives from Romney.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1334100227' post='2415556']
The question is......is Romney that much better than Obama?

I'll make another thread sometime on this.



Santorum proved something. He went from a joke guy in a pickup in Iowa to a serious threat against Romney. This proves that one should not dismiss all the third-party losers right away. Just because the press hasn't pre-selected someone to win, doesn't mean they can't. Yes Santorum is very likely not going to make it. However, [b]NO ONE THOUGHT HE WOULD GET THIS FAR!!!![/b]

[b]Santorum is a miracle because he made it this far. [/b]

Whether you liked the guy or not, no one had money on this guy 4-5 months ago. He went terribly far given his initial starting position, and I'm sure he made Romney nervous for several weeks.
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So he did the opposite of Rick Perry. I'm not sure why this is impressive.

[BG45]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1334104885' post='2415608']
So he did the opposite of Rick Perry. I'm not sure why this is impressive.
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Well considering Rick Perry [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/rick-perry-popped-painkillers-to-get-through-debates-book-reports/255366/"]was supposedly on painkillers the entire campaign[/url], it probably wouldn't be hard to do better I guess...

[Annie12]

I respect the man for all of his guts. I also think that he truly wanted to make America a better place. I am sad that he has come this far only to drop out. I also think that he made a HUGE sacrifice by campaigning while his daughter was so sick. It also didn't help that he was insulted and ridiculed to the extent that he was. (does everyone know that his name was made into a dirty word by his opponents? Its in urban dictionary now ) I feel like this was one of the may crosses God sends him only because he can handle it. And that shows how much a a good man he it. Everyone could and can dig up dirt on anyone so it's not a fair portrayal if that's all people offer for a summery of his campaign. I feel like he is a amazing example of a good catholic father and deserves respect especially since I can bet no one ( or at least few) here knows him personally. ( looking back, I feel bummed that I didn't vote for him )

[Winchester]

The fact that he supports big government, thereby rejecting subsidiarity, supports inflation (you will find debasement of currency is condemned by the Scholastics, apart from it being a form of theft), and supports funding Planned Parenthood isn't digging up dirt--it's confrontation of support of serious evils. He's not suited to leadership positions.