thessalonian Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 1st half of arguement is excellent and on target. Second half of the article is thumbs down. It is the Rodney King mentality. Can't we all just get along, another person's lifestyle is none of my business mentaility. Love the sinner hate this sin... Sin wounds us all, not just the one who committed it. When someone is hurting themselves and we do not tell them in a loving, compassionate way, we are not loving them. Not as Christ loved us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 By the way the article does end up being about sin, about being complacent about it. Would that you were hot or cold but that you are lukewarm I vomit you out of my sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1333949717' post='2414674'] Nothing is new. Then again, nothing the Catholic Church ever says can be called "new" but they still say it, because people still need to hear it. [/quote] I see. Makes sense. I guess we get sick of clichés about love and such because they're a constant reminder of the truth we already know, but fail to carry out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 Some people are just too attached to how it makes them feel when they get to pretend they are better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 [quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1334006315' post='2415093'] By the way the article does end up being about sin, about being complacent about it. Would that you were hot or cold but that you are lukewarm I vomit you out of my sight. [/quote]What do you think is complacent? How much love can you show a gay person without crossing the line and being complacent? How much love should you withold without crossing the line and being hateful and sinning yourself. His article does start off using the Westboro Baptist Church holding picket signs that says God Hates Fags. I really don't think most posters here are really that mean. For more reasonable people, it's a cautionary story, not a personal condemenation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1334014864' post='2415173'] [b]What do you think is complacent? How much love can you show a gay person without crossing the line and being complacent? How much love should you withold without crossing the line and being hateful and sinning yourself.[/b] His article does start off using the Westboro Baptist Church holding picket signs that says God Hates Fags. I really don't think most posters here are really that mean. For more reasonable people, it's a cautionary story, not a personal condemenation. [/quote] That is something that my wife and I have to question all the time. My mother is a practicing homosexual and how we have our family interact with her and her partner is very challenging especially now that we have children. Do we stay at their house in their guest bedroom when we travel there? Do we allow her and her partner to stay at our house? What about her only? What about staying at her house if her partner isn't there (her partner travels frequently). How as a family do we interact with her partner? What about for Christmas - do we get the partner a present or not? Do we specify that presents to our children must be addressed as from grandmother not grandmother & partner? Some of those questions are easier than others, but none of them are easy. We're thankful we live in a city 500 miles away as it means that all the questions on whats appropriate and whats not are not a huge part of our relationship with my mother. It's not like she and her partner are asking to stop over every weekend . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumiere Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 (edited) This is a powerful performance of a new piece of music. I have posted it elsewhere, but I think it would contribute to the dicussion here. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZRNL9ZnyM&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLp8o0_ehY2-wlRmBhLXtFqg"]Testimony[/url] By the way, I really appreciate how respectful everyone is being inthis discussion. It gives me hope. Edited April 11, 2012 by Lumiere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Slappo I hear you. Only recent years have I become non-religious. We raised our kids to be kind loving people as Catholics. We have a close friends my kids grew up with knowing as aunt and uncle. They divorced when he decided to live as a gay man. Almost twenty years later, I'm proud to say they are still"family". It's even more complicated when aunt gave birth to their blood cousin. Kids don't need to know the details of relationships. Significant others can be accepted as roommates if they wanted to see us. My kids had no idea of those issues into they were 17-18. They always knew (and know) these people as family. Family is who we are. Whether born in, adopted, or embraced, there is no getting out. Kinda like the mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Prayers Slappo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Wow - I can't even imagine that going on with our parents. Wow. Praying for you, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 This thread got srsly hi-jacked after a super serious post... I can haz sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1334340746' post='2417128'] This thread got srsly hi-jacked after a super serious post... I can haz sad [/quote] Sorry Slappo. Back to the topic. If I were in your situation with gay family members it'd depend if I felt they were a danger or if they were simply living differently. I would be careful if some 50yo tried to date my 25yo brother. Even if my brother married her and they were married for 20 years I still wouldn't fully trust her. IF my brother decided he was gay and lived with a man, I'd keep it simple when the kids were young and call the other man a roomate and make it very clear that there was to be no illicit affection in front of my kids. When the kids were older (pre-teens) I'd explain to them more, and when the kids were post-pubescent and understood heterosexual sex and sexual desires I'd let them figure it out with my help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 yeah seriously guys, fighting on a thread about treating other people with respect and kindness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 i'm going to move off-topic posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1334341110' post='2417139'] i'm going to move off-topic posts. [/quote] Love ya red. (I suppose this means you have to move this one too. Franciscan and I had our moment, we're over it now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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