Ice_nine Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1333211696' post='2411167'] With home-schooling, no offense to home-schoolers. In the next 20 years the global economy is going to become ultra-competitive. There's no way to avoid this. If your child isn't being drilled on a daily basis in high-level math I can promise there will be a child, maybe five to ten children, in Asia or Southeast Asia who are, and they are the ones who will be hired. The homeschool curricula I see are so... sleepy for lack of a better word? Not dumb at all. Some are really impressive. But it doesn't have that intensity. Children now need to be trained to be quick on their feet and aggressive critical thinkers. And I mean AGGRESSIVE. If there is a problem you need to be the FIRST to come up with the solution. And it needs to work. And you have to be able to do this consistently. . [/quote] Being trained to look at other people as competition turned out to be soul-crushing. It's still hard not to see everyone as a potential opponent or obstacle in front of MY piece of the pie. But then again I'm just a flighty romantic. Edited March 31, 2012 by Ice_nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1333212511' post='2411175'] Being trained to look at other people as competition turned out to be soul-crushing. It's still hard not to see everyone as a potential opponent or obstacle in front of MY piece of the pie. But then again I'm just a flighty romantic. [/quote] They ARE your competition, though - and when you are supporting a family they'll be glad Dad learned how to play to win. In capitalist societies that's just the way it is, for the foreseeable future. The middle class is disappearing and not coming back any time soon. My husband works in high level banking and it's SCARY some of the social changes that are coming down the pike. Not fielding yourself as competitive in the marketplace wouldn't affect you getting into Heaven of course. Or your children. It would affect if they get to eat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1333213411' post='2411183'] They ARE your competition, though - and when you are supporting a family they'll be glad Dad learned how to play to win. In capitalist societies that's just the way it is, for the foreseeable future. The middle class is disappearing and not coming back any time soon. My husband works in high level banking and it's SCARY some of the social changes that are coming down the pike. Not fielding yourself as competitive in the marketplace wouldn't affect you getting into Heaven of course. Or your children. It would affect if they get to eat though. [/quote] Yeah, if you can't self promote you get to starve like everybody else. It's gonna look alot like Europe here in the US very very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie12 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I give you praise for being a public school-er and being a faithful catholic. I think these days it hard to be in public school and at the same time not be drawn into what society says is right when it's really wrong. I go to an independent school that is extremely liberal so being one of the only conservatives in the school is hard for me but it helps me to be more understanding about the and more faithful to Catholicism. I actually have experienced homeschooling, public school and private school so I know where everyone is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='arfink' timestamp='1333216209' post='2411198'] Yeah, if you can't self promote you get to starve like everybody else. It's gonna look alot like Europe here in the US very very soon. [/quote] The thing about Europe is that their society is better set up to handle a shrinking middle class. As the middle class fades away, there are only two classes left to pick from. Guess which one can afford medicine when the baby gets sick? Or can pay for the exam when mom finds a lump in her breast? In America our healthcare is rationed based on personal wealth and not evidenced-based medicine. So as wealth disparity accelerates in the years to come, we will be dealing with some very nasty side-effects that Europe may be able to dodge in the immediate future. IOW, to be on topic, choosing a method of education for your children is deadly serious and will have consequences that reverberate. Potentially life-and-death consequences. So whatever you choose pick very carefully and with your eyes wide open about what it means for their future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 pretty sure my grandfather wasnt abused by his nuns/teachers in a public school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I don't want my grandbaby in a school that promotes homosexuality as normal, religion is seen as non PC and threatening, where Christmas and Easter are dirty words, where masturbation is explained to small children as a fun activity or if kids can be whisked by nurses to abortion facilities behind the parents back. I want my my grandbaby to receive a rigorous academic education, not a PC political and secular indoctrination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1333213411' post='2411183'] They ARE your competition, though - and when you are supporting a family they'll be glad Dad learned how to play to win. In capitalist societies that's just the way it is, for the foreseeable future. The middle class is disappearing and not coming back any time soon. My husband works in high level banking and it's SCARY some of the social changes that are coming down the pike. Not fielding yourself as competitive in the marketplace wouldn't affect you getting into Heaven of course. Or your children. It would affect if they get to eat though. [/quote] This doesn't sound right to me. But if it ever comes down to choosing between starvation and seeing everyone as cutthroat competition I hope I make the right choice. Maybe I'm not that righteous, and I like food, but I should also look at people, primarily as people, and not as opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie12 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1333221456' post='2411223'] pretty sure my grandfather wasnt abused by his nuns/teachers in a public school. [/quote] So whats the deal-ee-oh with abusive nuns!!!!! Nuns are just people!!! They have their faults like everyone, but to lump all the nuns and make it plural is biased and I don't like it considering I'm going to be a nun some day!!!! Its like one man insults me so I am going to say men are abusive!!! Not true!!!! There are some really nice nuns that go un-noticed and some that probably used discipline too much but that doesn't make all nuns bad!! I feel like they deserve respect if anything because of their sacrifice for God. when everyone else does that they you can have a say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 J_lol wasn't saying all nuns are abusive. I think he was trying to illustrate that parochial schools are not the safe haven of goodness that they're purported to be. Things are probably better now, but abuse seemed to be more systematic and widespread back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPetiteSoeur Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1333239673' post='2411311'] J_lol wasn't saying all nuns are abusive. I think he was trying to illustrate that parochial schools are not the safe haven of goodness that they're purported to be. Things are probably better now, but abuse seemed to be more systematic and widespread back in the day. [/quote] Little known fact: students were hit by rulers in public school, too. Corporeal punishment wasn't just a Catholic school thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 When I was in school, I did not like the public school kids. They were mean to me on the bus and they messed with our desks on CCD nights. Then I got to 5th grade, and one of the girls who was a PUBLIC SCHOOL KID came to our school. And WE BECAME BEST FRIENDS! I KNOW! CRAZY! So I realized that maybe they weren't all jerks. In high school that friend went back to the public school. So, I got to hear about the crazy things that kids did there, and I thought there were a lot more troublemakers there. Looking back, I have realized that there were probably more troublemakers, but also more of every other kind of kid, too, because there was just a larger population. Additionally, the kids at the Catholic school were also more likely to have parents who had the money and connections to minimize the consequences of whatever they had done, and there was a LOT of those sorts of politics going on at my school. Now, looking at the way either private or public schools are run, I have issues with the schools themselves, and the people who run them, not the people who attend them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureCarmeliteClaire Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 We love you, 171, and you are an amazing public schooler, especially to put up with persecution at school and all that. You are so strong, keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1333239673' post='2411311'] J_lol wasn't saying all nuns are abusive. I think he was trying to illustrate that parochial schools are not the safe haven of goodness that they're purported to be. Things are probably better now, but abuse seemed to be more systematic and widespread back in the day. [/quote] Exactly. all i know is, between my grandfathers abuse at the hands of austrian nuns and what he saw of the catholic church aiding the nazis during ww2, he still has a long standing hatred for the catholic church.(sorry for tangent) but i think thats a pretty concrete sample of why not all private catholic schooling is superior to public. it certainly didnt help him out. no not all nuns are terrible. but i dont think they would've have gotten a reputation for abusive behavior at schools if there wasnt somewhat of a history of that occuring. Edited April 1, 2012 by Jesus_lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 i transferred from an outstanding catholic school run by a group of beautiful Religious Sisters, (who did apply corporeal punishment, btw, but sometimes brats really needed it)--- to public school in the 4th grade. i.was.devastated. down here in texas, racism was raging wild in the public schools at that time. I had attended a catholic school with blacks, germans, polish and hispanics....and guess what? I NEVER KNEW WE WERE DIFFERENT. it wasn't until public school where racism reared its ugly head that i first realized: its a huge world out there, and people hate people, and its going to be a long 8 years until i get out of this terrible public school system.... at the same time, my catholic education helped me not to generalize... white people were not all the same, despite the whole lot of them being prejudiced, hateful, sadistic bastards at the time. To generalize the white race would be wrong... this was tough, but by the grace of God, i didn't come out of the public school system joining racially motivated socialists groups like LULAC and LA RAZA. lol today, i love white people...my best friend is the whitest, palest canadian in all of north america, so TAKE THAT, PUBLIC SCHOOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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