Is This As Rediculous As I Think It Is?

[Annie12]

I actually have done more research into this and there seems to be two versions of the antichrist theory. One is that the antichrist will come very soon within the next decade he will be someone of faith within the Church and then turn bad and many people will lose the faith(Though, I think this contradicts the bible when Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church). The second one is that the Church has a long time until the antichrist comes but there will be a chastisement that comes about because of man's sin and because so many souls are unrepentant (not from God). After the chastisement (It think if it is true it could be nuclear war) where many people will die, there will be a period of peace where only after many years the antichrist will come( an non-christian) and will preach that he is God and Jesus christ is not.

Of course this is not doctrine an is not part of the teachings of the church but they do come from several sources that people look to for insight. I got this info from Medjugore, St. Malachey, Pope Leo's vision of God and Satan talking and Our Lady of La Sallete. Also, the message of divine mercy implies the judgment of many people if not the last judgment is coming soon. I also took into account the supposed vision that Cardinal Romeo is said to have had (though I am not sure how credible that is since the vatican says it's nonsense.)

Overall, I think the most important thing is to be ready to meet christ everyday of your life because we don't know when we are going to die. And after being ready, just trusting in Christ in all things. We have no control over the future. So, we should let God be God and trust in his providence. This way no matter what we face in life we can cling to Christ every moment of our life and have no anxieties or fears about the future. There is a reason God doesn't let us know what's ahead of us!

[tinytherese]

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Overall, I think the most important thing is to be ready to meet christ everyday of your life because we don't know when we are going to die. And after being ready, just trusting in Christ in all things. We have no control over the future. So, we should let God be God and trust in his providence. This way no matter what we face in life we can cling to Christ every moment of our life and have no anxieties or fears about the future. There is a reason God doesn't let us know what's ahead of us!
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Yes. "But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Mk 13:32). So just get ready.

[Annie12]

I can't even imagine how amazing it will be to see Jesus (the beatific vision)!!!

[tinytherese]

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I can't even imagine how amazing it will be to see Jesus (the beatific vision)!!!
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That reminds me of the song I Can Only Imagine. This video completely changed how I view that song. (Note, that it says the "h" word that rhymns with palleluja and it is Lent.)

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-4H9hXGVk0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-4H9hXGVk0[/url]

[Annie12]

Ha Ha! I was thinking of that while I was typing my message! I love that song and I love Jesus in the Eucharist! It would be amazing to see him come in all his glory at the second coming though! This made me think about another video [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RapW4MuYFXk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RapW4MuYFXk[/url] I really like the part where it shows the picture of all the saints in heaven!

[Clareni]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1332724213' post='2408396'] So, I came across the prophesy of St. Malachy who supposedly predicted the last 10 popes of time. [/quote]

While you are waiting for an answer from the Phatmass scholars, here is something to consider from the venerable Catholic Encyclopedia:


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The most famous and best known prophecies about the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url] are those attributed to [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09565a.htm"]St. Malachy[/url]. In 1139 he went to [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13164a.htm"]Rome[/url] to give an account of the affairs of his [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05001a.htm"]diocese[/url] to the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope[/url], [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08012a.htm"]Innocent II[/url], who promised him two [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11427a.htm"]palliums[/url] for the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10244c.htm"]metropolitan[/url] Sees of Armagh and [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03401a.htm"]Cashel[/url]. While at [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13164a.htm"]Rome[/url], he received (according to the Abbé Cucherat) the strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before his mind the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm"]Church[/url] until the end of time. The same author tells us that [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09565a.htm"]St. Malachy[/url] gave his [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09614b.htm"]manuscript[/url] to [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08012a.htm"]Innocent II[/url] to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09565a.htm"]St. Malachy[/url] or forgeries. The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url], and the silence of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02498d.htm"]St. Bernard[/url] especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy", is a strong argument against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years.[/size][/font][/color]
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These are pretty iffy and I would tend to support the forgery thesis. People took writings like this from people like St. Malachy very seriously and so that disappearance for four centuries is highly suspicious. By contrast the writings of Joachm of Fiore, along a similar vein but based in a detailed biblically based schema of the end times and the role of the popes, was widely read, discussed, ad debated from its inception and so that historical record is clear.[/size][/font][/color]
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Here is the rest of the entry which is a good place to start investigating:[/size][/font][/color]


These short prophetical announcements, in number 112, indicate some noticeable trait of all future [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url] from [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03478a.htm"]Celestine II[/url], who was elected in the year 1143, until the end of the world. They are enunciated under mystical titles. Those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies have succeeded in discovering some trait, allusion, point, or similitude in their application to the individual [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url], either as to their country, their name, their [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07243a.htm"]coat of arms[/url] or insignia, their birth-place, their talent or learning, the title of their [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03333b.htm"]cardinalate[/url], the dignities which they held etc. For example, the prophecy concerning [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15218b.htm"]Urban VIII[/url] is [i]Lilium et Rosa[/i] (the lily and the rose); he was a native of Florence and on the arms of Florence figured a [i]fleur-de-lis[/i]; he had three bees emblazoned on his escutcheon, and the bees gather honey from the lilies and roses. Again, the name accords often with some remarkable and rare circumstance in the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope's[/url] career; thus [i]Peregrinus apostolicus[/i] (pilgrim [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope[/url]), which designates [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12131a.htm"]Pius VI[/url], appears to be verified by his journey when [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope[/url] into [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06484b.htm"]Germany[/url], by his long career as [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope[/url], and by his expatriation from [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13164a.htm"]Rome[/url] at the end of his pontificate. Those who have lived and followed the course of events in an intelligent manner during the pontificates of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134b.htm"]Pius IX[/url], [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09169a.htm"]Leo XIII[/url], and [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12137a.htm"]Pius X[/url] cannot fail to be impressed with the titles given to each by the prophecies of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09565a.htm"]St. Malachy[/url] and their wonderful appropriateness: [i]Crux de Cruce[/i] (Cross from a Cross) [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134b.htm"]Pius IX[/url]; [i]Lumen in caelo[/i] (Light in the Sky) [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09169a.htm"]Leo XIII[/url]; [i]Ignis ardens[/i] (Burning Fire) [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12137a.htm"]Pius X[/url]. There is something more than coincidence in the designations given to these three [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url] so many hundred years before their time. We need not have recourse either to the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05782a.htm"]family[/url] names, armorial bearings or [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03333b.htm"]cardinalatial[/url] titles, to see the fitness of their designations as given in the prophecies. The afflictions and crosses of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134b.htm"]Pius IX[/url] were more than fell to the lot of his predecessors; and the more aggravating of these crosses were brought on by the House of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13492a.htm"]Savoy[/url] whose emblem was a cross. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09169a.htm"]Leo XIII[/url] was a veritable luminary of the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]papacy[/url]. The present [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope[/url] is truly a burning fire of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15753a.htm"]zeal[/url] for the restoration of all things to [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374c.htm"]Christ[/url].
The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11703a.htm"]persecution[/url] of the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07424b.htm"]Holy Roman Church[/url] there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374c.htm"]dreadful Judge[/url] will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning [i]Petrus Romanus[/i], who according to [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09565a.htm"]St. Malachy's[/url] list is to be the last [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]pope[/url], that the prophecy does not say that no [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url] will intervene between him and his predecessor designated [i]Gloria olivæ[/i]. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm"]popes[/url] as we please before "Peter the Roman". [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04377a.htm"]Cornelius a Lapide[/url] refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.

[Annie12]

Thank you for this! This had good info that I never considered before!