Don't Take Away Someone's Rights?

[4588686]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1332854485' post='2409110']
do you know why there is no raging problems in other countries feeding the trade of alcohol in the USA?

its because it is legal.

if pot was legal, the illegal drug cartels would cease to exist. when was the last time you saw two whiskey makers/bartenders/liquor store employees shooting it out?
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UMMMMM.....Yes they do. All the time! Or at least they did during the 1920's, dumbo. You know, during prohabi...


...oh

Edited March 27, 2012 by Hasan

[Jesus_lol]

and there you go...


prohibition.

[Ice_nine]

marijuana should be legalized.

even pat robertson thinks so

[MissyP89]

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1332890691' post='2409382']
marijuana should be legalized.

even pat robertson thinks so
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[Anomaly]

Alcohol has been part of almost all human cultures for THOUSANDS of years. We've learned to integrate alcohol into our weddings, celebrations, and relaxation, for generations Alcohol production, wines, beers, liqours, has been a part of our economic system for these thousands of years.

Use of pot hasn't been in intregral part of almost all cultures for thousands of years. People can home brew wine and beer now, but it's easier and more convient and you get better quality buying it from 'professionals'. There isn't a pot production infrastructure, it'll be difficult a new frontier for ruthless entrepeneurs. There'll be mom and pop growers sall over the place. People won't know what the quality or THC will be or won't bethat they're buying. How easy would it be to spike your pot with somethin' special to get a marketing edge. The existing distribution and production is owned by criminals now. They would immediately become legal. Do you think they would gie up their market share without a hiccup? They would love to see things become legitimate. Demand would increase, production and distribution costs would go down, and they would be even richer and able to be even more rutheless.


With a stroke of a pen, the legalization of pot won't create new viable legal competitors. The people with the money, knowledge, personnel, production facitlities, and distribution,

[4588686]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332906349' post='2409515']
Alcohol has been part of almost all human cultures for THOUSANDS of years. We've learned to integrate alcohol into our weddings, celebrations, and relaxation, for generations Alcohol production, wines, beers, liqours, has been a part of our economic system for these thousands of years.

Use of pot hasn't been in intregral part of almost all cultures for thousands of years. People can home brew wine and beer now, but it's easier and more convient and you get better quality buying it from 'professionals'. There isn't a pot production infrastructure, it'll be difficult a new frontier for ruthless entrepeneurs. There'll be mom and pop growers sall over the place. People won't know what the quality or THC will be or won't bethat they're buying. How easy would it be to spike your pot with somethin' special to get a marketing edge. The existing distribution and production is owned by criminals now. They would immediately become legal. Do you think they would gie up their market share without a hiccup? They would love to see things become legitimate. Demand would increase, production and distribution costs would go down, and they would be even richer and able to be even more rutheless.


With a stroke of a pen, the legalization of pot won't create new viable legal competitors. The people with the money, knowledge, personnel, production facitlities, and distribution,
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Has that happened in California or Colorado?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1332906691' post='2409518']
Has that happened in California or Colorado?
[/quote]Legalization in California has not eliminated illegal marijuana. Legalization has not significantly reduced what you buy bags or a few joints for. Legalization in California has not eliminated money going to drug cartels. Legalization is not widespread enough to make it a completely or mostly legal business enterprise. It's basic business principles that indicate what will happen.

Edited March 28, 2012 by Anomaly

[4588686]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332907917' post='2409526']
Legalization in California has not eliminated illegal marijuana. Legalization has not significantly reduced what you buy bags or a few joints for. Legalization in California has not eliminated money going to drug cartels. Legalization is not widespread enough to make it a completely or mostly legal business enterprise. It's basic business principles that indicate what will happen.
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Does the mob still control the liquor industry? Did this occur in Holland?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1332908180' post='2409530']
Does the mob still control the liquor industry? Did this occur in Holland?
[/quote]Was all liquor production, distribution, and sales previously run exclusively by the mob in Holland? Was liquor use a relatively new phenomenon in Holland?
You may have a good point, but I don't think I get it.

[zabbazooey]

I think that maybe it wouldn't completely eliminate the cartels/gang from selling but a lot of the violence would cease since there is no smuggling or secrecy behind the practice anymore. Besides, put a sin tax on it (the kind that's grown in a legal dispensary or farm or whatever) and the government would make a lottttt of money. Also, you're forgetting all of the other benefits of the marijuana plant that can be used if it was legalized.

You're never going to stop people growing and selling their own. Besides, there have been ZERO primary causes of death for marijuana and only 279 secondary causes of death, compared to many FDA approved "safe" drugs.

[url="http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000145#cause"]http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000145#cause[/url]

[Ice_nine]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332907917' post='2409526']
Legalization in California has not eliminated illegal marijuana. Legalization has not significantly reduced what you buy bags or a few joints for. Legalization in California has not eliminated money going to drug cartels. Legalization is not widespread enough to make it a completely or mostly legal business enterprise. It's basic business principles that indicate what will happen.
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Pot hasn't been legalized in CA or CO. Just medical. There will be a question on this year's ballot in CO to legalize and regulate marijuana in a similar way that alcohol is tho, and it's looking like it might have a chance at passing.

Also, I don't know if I buy the idea that pot hasn't been integral in certain societies. For example in Morocco, hashish is one of the few viable crops in the rocky terrain.

And I really don't buy the idea that organized crime syndicates would like to see marijuana legalized. I mean if it's legalized it will be regulated. You think gangsters wanna cough up taxes and obey all the red tape of setting up a legitimate business and so forth? You think they want to compete with a much wider pool of potential sellers? Cause let's be honest, risking your well-being, your freedom, and perhaps your life is quite a deterrent for most of us--but if all of the sudden people could sell something that was (and perhaps always will be) in high demand, WITHOUT many of these risks, drug cartels would be all happy about it?

I'm not one who thinks that legalizing marijuana will make the world a vastly better place, but it will wrest power from organized crime groups, provide at least SOME tax revenue, free up tons of jail space for actual violent criminals, and allow adults to use marijuana responsibly without fear of being arrested or losing their job over something so trivial.



ps should we criminalize nutmeg?

[Tony]

[quote name='jaime' timestamp='1332624325' post='2407195']
Don't like slavery?

Don't like child porn?

Don't like spousal abuse?

Don't like bettering society?

too beaver dam bad
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also

Don't like Bank Robbery?

Don't like identity thieves?

Don't like Rape?

Don't like child abuse?

we could go on and on

[Jesus_lol]

the difference between something that actively oppresses and hurts others and a private action should be made a little more obvious.