Opposite Sex Housemates

[Winchester]

Clothing is morally neutral. Sorry, Victorians.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1334535425' post='2418373']
[b]Lust is natural and is in fact a gift from God, [/b]
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Really? Because last time I checked it was still one of the 7 deadly sins. Attraction, sex, and lust are not the same things.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

come again? lust is natural? possibly for the garden of eden,are we not advancing to the kingdom of heaven? I don't get it please explain more, i thought lust and the desire to pro create and raise a family are vastly different, are you talking on the popular thought that there is a holy lust,a holy anger a holy pride etc. I need help about this coz i have only just started looking at these things and possibly took the bait hook line and sinker before discerning whether it was live prey or dead prey on a hook. No pun intended just in need of understanding.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

also adam and eve where raising a family too anyhow, and not bonking just anybody so to speak

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1334536077' post='2418385']
come again? lust is natural? possibly for the garden of eden,are we not advancing to the kingdom of heaven? I don't get it please explain more, i thought lust and the desire to pro create and raise a family are vastly different, are you talking on the popular thought that there is a holy lust,a holy anger a holy pride etc. I need help about this coz i have only just started looking at these things and possibly took the bait hook line and sinker before discerning whether it was live prey or dead prey on a hook. No pun intended just in need of understanding.
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I think this is a little bit off topic, but I will attempt to address this question as best as I can.

Lust is as "natural" as the inclination to any other sin. We all have it, but it's a disordered inclination and we're called to resist those temptations. FuturePriest is messing up his terminology. Lust is[i] [b]not[/b][/i] the same thing as the desire to procreate, or the desire to participate in the unitive aspect of sex with one's spouse. Lust is an "intense or unrestrained sexual craving." It's the inclination that incites one to use pornography, fornicate, masturbate, etc. Again, it is not the same as physical attraction or sexual desire for one's spouse. It is possible to lust after one's spouse, but ideally lust is not the driving force behind marital relations.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1334536072' post='2418384']
Really? Because last time I checked it was still one of the 7 deadly sins. Attraction, sex, and lust are not the same things.
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Jason Evert says lust is a gift from God. And if I remember correctly, Jason Evert is on EWTN quite a bit and had a few shows. EWTN wouldn't have a quack speak about morals.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1334538365' post='2418410']
Jason Evert says lust is a gift from God. And if I remember correctly, Jason Evert is on EWTN quite a bit and had a few shows. EWTN wouldn't have a quack speak about morals.
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well, he's wrong. lust is not a gift from God. it would be helpful if you referenced what he actually said, like his quote or a video.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Lil Red

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334535876' post='2418379']
Clothing is morally neutral. Sorry, Victorians.
[/quote]

Clothing is not morally neutral. Bikinis are highly demeaning to women, and shockingly enough bikinis are considered clothing, though you could be more clothed with a towel. Did you know that when bikinis first came out the guy couldn't find any model that was willing to wear it on the runway, so he had to hire a hooker to do it? That sure speaks well about bikinis and what women with self-respect think about them.

Edited April 16, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[Anomaly]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334521573' post='2418259'][size=3][b]Catholic culture is dead, some of you don't even know how to define it. Catholic culture has to do with our beliefs and how we live/behave in regards to those beliefs. It used to be that people in our nation could tell who was Catholic and who was not. We had the whole "no eating meat on friday" thing going, and even our public schools used to reflect the Catholic culture by serving fish on Fridays. Hollywood used to make money off the Catholic culture by making movies that reflected Catholic beliefs... People outside the Faith knew when we celebrated our solemnities... On Sunday, shopping malls closed and grocery stores were only opened from 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. and even then, aisles were blocked off with blue tape and only those aisles that served essentials were left opened. Politicians knew they couldn't insult our beliefs without getting a whipping at the polls. Today that is all but disappeared. We used to have respect. The Catholic Identity was so strong in this nation... but now we have meshed with teh secular crowd, we've gotten used to thinking in secular ways instead of in our Faith... [/b][/size]

[size=3][b]...in our sexually saturated society, where morality takes a beating (especially on college campuses,) I hope we Catholics can stand out as being counter-cultural to the[/b][/size][b] worldly trends ... [/b]

[size=3][b]I am pretty sure this is the point Vee was trying to make... [/b][/size]

[size=3][b]Oh, and Winnie, in those cultures where nudity is the norm, even then, the priests make the women cover their breasts at Mass, and the men must cover their privates... in the convent, I knew a Bishop who visited and he served in a very remote island... he showed us a video of the Mass there, and everyone was covered (this bishop made it mandatory during the Mass.) I guess he crapped in his pantaloons, and that's why he made them cover up? or maybe, anomaly, the priest is twisted for thinking they should be covered during Holy mass?? iono, if I go by some of the counter-arguments on this board, I'm the most twisted, old-fashioned, impure dirty thinker, gossipy individual ever because I worry about the sin of scandal... [/b][/size]



[size=3][b]Okay, let your mocking commence... I'm out of this thread as well... bye [/b][/size]
[/quote]No need to bow out. You're contributing to the discussion.

It's a shame some Catholic Culture is 'dead'. But think about it some. WHY didn't Catholics eat meat on Fridays? Just a Catholic culture/superstition thing? Is it just in the Tradition like avoiding pork and shellfish is in the Old Testament? Or is there a reason behind it that can partially explained in 'non-Catholic' terms? How about Catholics are called to work to help make a better society through self sacrifice for our fellow man. Obstaining from meat on friday reminds us of that sacrifice the Christ made for us, and we make for each others (including the nice atheist next door). To me, that's a HUGE difference.

Lot's of christians and non-christians would agree that it isn't a good idea to have opposite sex roommates from many reasons in common.
-It complicates relationships.
-casual sex is demeaning to each other as persons.
-You aren't interseted in a relationship.
-Some people you just don't know well enough.
-I'm not mature enough to control my urges.
-My potential roomies aren't mature enough to not offend my sense of morals.


It doesn't have to begin and end with "It's my Catholic Culture that we believe it's too tempting and we are such fallen humans we can't control ourselves in the face of temptation."

[missionseeker]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1334535425' post='2418373']
Lust is natural and is in fact a gift from God.


A woman's purity and virginity is a gift only for her husband, and she should have full guard on it at all times because it is so special.
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(catechism) [b]2351 [/b][i]Lust [/i][color=#5C5C5C][font=Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(242, 239, 232)]is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.[/background][/size][/font][/color]


Do you know why we call it "Adam's fall" when Eve technically ate the apple first? Because Adam didn't protect her and didn't stop her. So yes, women need to protect their virginity and purity. But men need to protect them too. It's not a one way street.

Also, sex doesn't happen "accidentally" when friends of mine say that I literally think "what, did you fall on it?" It's a choice, no matter what you hear or see or they say on TV. I've personally had to make the choice not to before, and it's not easy, but it's a choice, for both people. And sure people are weak, but when they are weak, they don't need to blame each other, they need to help each other resolve that it will never happen again.


[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1334536077' post='2418385']
come again? lust is natural? possibly for the garden of eden,are we not advancing to the kingdom of heaven? I don't get it please explain more, i thought lust and the desire to pro create and raise a family are vastly different, are you talking on the popular thought that there is a holy lust,a holy anger a holy pride etc. I need help about this coz i have only just started looking at these things and possibly took the bait hook line and sinker before discerning whether it was live prey or dead prey on a hook. No pun intended just in need of understanding.
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No, you are correct. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1334538431' post='2418411']
well, he's wrong. lust is not a gift from God. why don't you reference what he actually said, like his quote or a video.
[/quote]

It's in his book Pure Manhood. I'll try to read through and find it so I can give you an exact quote.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1334538620' post='2418416']
It's in his book Pure Manhood. I'll try to read through and find it so I can give you an exact quote.
[/quote]

i would appreciate it. if he indeed is saying that, then I would have serious reservations about recommending him to anyone.

[PhuturePriest]

I may have mixed up what he said. Keep in mind I read it when I was thirteen and I wouldn't be surprised if I either misread it or read what I wanted to read.

[Jesus_lol]

I am not really happy with you speaking for all men, Futurepriest. Your experiences and thoughts do not necessarily represent everyone else with an XY chromosome


and you are even less qualified when it comes to how women feel about clothing.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1334538516' post='2418413']
Clothing is not morally neutral. Bikinis are highly demeaning to women, and shockingly enough bikinis are considered clothing, though you could be more clothed with a towel. Did you know that when bikinis first came out the guy couldn't find any model that was willing to wear it on the runway, so he had to hire a hooker to do it? That sure speaks well about bikinis and what women with self-respect think about them.
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If I wear a bikini, it's because nothing else would hold me in, and I'd be flashing people with any other type of swimsuit (which is NOT considered clothing. it's considered "swim wear")