Mark of the Cross Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332300208' post='2404581'] I don't think think it would make hell worth it if it was only finitie. It would still smell of elderberries just as much to not exist any more at least in my humble opinion. [/quote] Have you ever been in a lot of pain? When you suffer intense pain and you sleep, the nothingness ironicly is Heaven. I would agree that the desire for nothingness, which atheists profess, is as Al says a kind of self hatred. Of course I desire to be with God for eternity free from the pains, hurt and evil that exists on earth. And it is worth those pains to try and achieve that, but if i cannot have it, then to sleep forever is the next best IMO. I don't recall my non existence prior 1948 as being terribly bad even it was for a very long time. Imagine reincarnation, occasionaly you might be fortunate to get a good life now and then in amongst a number of terrible lives. I don't think that existence without something to work toward would be worth it! But then think about eternal suffering in Hell with no objective being the worst pain. One question I have is where someone stated God 'can't uncreate.' God 'Can't' implies restrictions on Gods laws. God made all laws and created everything. I would question God 'Can't' in reference to nothing pre-existing God as per Al. I think either theory is speculation because if you could produce definitive proof, then you should be able to prove God, which you can't. Interesting but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1332224577' post='2404368'] Hell would be worth it if the suffering was finite. For those unfamiliar with the Summa Theologica, the format is as follows. A question is posed, some objections are brought up, and then the replies to those objections. It's basically a structured way to think through a problem. So in conclusion, souls exist forever. Edited: for font size [/quote]Just as an FYI, that is from the Supplement and may or may not reflect what Thomas would say on the issue. Chances are yes, but I wanted to point it out that it's not actually his theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 [quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1332381225' post='2405021'] Just as an FYI, that is from the Supplement and may or may not reflect what Thomas would say on the issue. Chances are yes, but I wanted to point it out that it's not actually his theology. [/quote] Was not aware. Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Yep! It's a little-known fact about his Summa. Didn't stop my wife from writing a paper on it, but unfortunately we'll never know for sure what Thomas thought about the end times and Sacraments. The Supplement was pieced together by his students, so it's about as reflective of Thomas as all of Aristotle's works reflect Aristotle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 The question has arrisen a few times but no-one has explained the inferences in scripture. The following is the one that comes to mind whenever this question arrises. Can someone shed light on this apparent difference? [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=10&l=28#x"][28][/url] And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can [b]destroy[/b] both [b]soul[/b] and body [b]in hell.[/b] [[url="http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=10&l=28#x"]Matthew 10:28[/url]] [[url="http://drbo.org/x/d?b=lvb&bk=47&ch=10&l=28#x"]Latin[/url]] I've read EE's post a number of times. It doesn't seem to be conclusive. [quote][b][url=""]366[/url][/b] The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.[sup]235[/sup][/quote] Even in the Cat the word 'immortal' seems to be in reference to the natural death of the body and the resurrection. It may or may not concern beyond for those who are doomed IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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