Catholics Fantasy ?

[Annie12]

My teacher has a track record for pointing out the historical flops of Catholics and the positives of protestants in a very bold way. I have even brought this to the school's attention and they don't change. I don't think they care that I am catholic. They see me as a stickler.

[4588686]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1331521451' post='2399354']
My teacher has a track record for pointing out the historical flops of Catholics and the positives of protestants in a very bold way. I have even brought this to the school's attention and they don't change. I don't think they care that I am catholic. They see me as a stickler.
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Well, and please don't take this as an attack, but if the complaints you brought about the teacher are as vague as the ones here then I don't think you can blame them. Even with the rituals I can think of contexts where his words could be perfectly appropriate. The phrase [size=4][font=arial, sans-serif]"[/font][i]Hoc est[/i][font=arial, sans-serif] enim [/font][i]corpus[/i][font=arial, sans-serif] meum" was bastardized into hocus pocus by an uneducated European peasantry who thought the Priest was performing magic. Whether he crossed the line of not depends on the context of what he said. [/font][/size]

[Annie12]

I guess its hard to explain but what he said shocked me. and oh he also made the entire class (except me) laugh at original sin, calling it Pessimistic.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1331518838' post='2399309']
Catholics can be fanatical. I'm not sure how a belief can have opinions or outlooks of any degree.
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Aren't fanatical and fantastical two different things?

I agree that some Catholics - just like members of any group or religion - can be fanatical. But fantastical, no.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1331559376' post='2399539']
I guess its hard to explain but what he said shocked me. and oh he also made the entire class (except me) laugh at original sin, calling it Pessimistic.
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It sounds like you were right to be scandalized by what he said, and your gut feeling is leading you in the right direction. If you want to report him, I would think very clearly about what he said and write down what you remember, so that you don't accidentally accuse him of something he did not do. However, I think that making jokes about original sin being pessimistic and calling Catholicism "fantasy" are reproaches against your religion that you have the right to bring up to a higher authority.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1331560187' post='2399549']
Aren't fanatical and fantastical two different things?[/quote]Sigh...


Yes it is.

Good thing nobody is fanatical about fantastical vocabulary usage.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1331519707' post='2399322']
What grade are you in? If this was in high school then his comment was completely inappropriate. If it was in college then I don't see anything wrong with it.
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I don't see how that makes a difference. I guess if it's a private college then that might make a difference in whether or not the teacher [b]should[/b] be chastised, but certainly comments like the one above should not come from any representative of the state - including teachers/professors/etc....

[4588686]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1331560187' post='2399549']
Aren't fanatical and fantastical two different things?

I agree that some Catholics - just like members of any group or religion - can be fanatical. But fantastical, no.
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The original thread title and OP said fanatical.

[4588686]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1331574330' post='2399650']
I don't see how that makes a difference. I guess if it's a private college then that might make a difference in whether or not the teacher [b]should[/b] be chastised, but certainly comments like the one above should not come from any representative of the state - including teachers/professors/etc....
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Professors have much more academic freedom than do HS teachers. As they should. Once you are in college you are an adult, you have selected to be there, and you have chosen your class and course of study. If you can't stand to hear an opinion or assertion that you don't like then you can drop the class. As long as it pertains to the class subject and the professor doesn't unduly use his power to influence you then I think it's fine.

[4588686]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1331560311' post='2399552']
It sounds like you were right to be scandalized by what he said, and your gut feeling is leading you in the right direction. If you want to report him, I would think very clearly about what he said and write down what you remember, so that you don't accidentally accuse him of something he did not do. However, I think that making jokes about original sin being pessimistic and calling Catholicism "fantasy" are reproaches against your religion that you have the right to bring up to a higher authority.
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I think there is a big difference between jokingly calling original sin pessimistic, which is is, and going on some tirade about how the Church is fantasy, which really is inappropriate and she shouldn't have to listen to that. I guess my confusion about your post is this, I don't see how you can say that she was in fact 'right to be scandalized' given how vague and uncertain she is about what he said.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1331582206' post='2399724']
Professors have much more academic freedom than do HS teachers. As they should. Once you are in college you are an adult, you have selected to be there, and you have chosen your class and course of study. If you can't stand to hear an opinion or assertion that you don't like then you can drop the class. As long as it pertains to the class subject and the professor doesn't unduly use his power to influence you then I think it's fine.
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Define "unduly". Because that's where we differ in opinion, I think. Honestly, there have been some classes from which all I remember is bad information that they were "unduly" trying to force down our throats.

Professors can have their opinions, but they should not be taught as truth. And if they are biased on controversial issues, then they shouldn't even include those opinions in their lectures.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1331519045' post='2399311']
I don't appreciate that non Catholics are being judgmental of Catholics.
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It's an occasion for Grace. You should thank them.

[4588686]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1331583232' post='2399738']
Define "unduly". Because that's where we differ in opinion, I think. Honestly, there have been some classes from which all I remember is bad information that they were "unduly" trying to force down our throats.

Professors can have their opinions, but they should not be taught as truth. And if they are biased on controversial issues, then they shouldn't even include those opinions in their lectures.
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If a professor makes you write: "I renounce Catholicism!" for your grade and it's a math class then that qualifies as 'unduly.' If in the course of a philosophy class and he points out that all the traditional arguments for God's existence are logically flawed and demonstrates that then that is not. I know those are two extreme cases but I don't think there is any algorithm.

You have to be able to stand up for yourself. Last semester I had to take a 'critical theory' class. I didn't like it. I pointed out why I felt like some of the methodology was flawed. The Professor was a little taken aback when I pointed out that, while he was an important scholar, Edward Said claiming he was an exilic intellectual was ridiculousness since on of the most prestigious name a department chair after him (Columbua). Nothing happened. It didn't hurt my grade at all. If it did then there would have been a problem. But so long as a Professor doesn't use his or her influence to try to force you to adopt an opinion I really don't have a problem with almost anything they say. You should have your beliefs challenged and tested in college.

[4588686]

[color=#282828]Maybe you could ask to use a tape recorder in class to take notes. That would deter him from saying anything inappropriate and if that fails you would have on record exactly what he said.[/color]

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1331583638' post='2399743']
If a professor makes you write: "I renounce Catholicism!" for your grade and it's a math class then that qualifies as 'unduly.' If in the course of a philosophy class and he points out that all the traditional arguments for God's existence are logically flawed and demonstrates that then that is not. I know those are two extreme cases but I don't think there is any algorithm.

You have to be able to stand up for yourself. Last semester I had to take a 'critical theory' class. I didn't like it. I pointed out why I felt like some of the methodology was flawed. The Professor was a little taken aback when I pointed out that, while he was an important scholar, Edward Said claiming he was an exilic intellectual was ridiculousness since on of the most prestigious name a department chair after him (Columbua). Nothing happened. It didn't hurt my grade at all. If it did then there would have been a problem. But so long as a Professor doesn't use his or her influence to try to force you to adopt an opinion I really don't have a problem with almost anything they say. You should have your beliefs challenged and tested in college.
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I don't disagree with anything here. But while you may not have had experiences that were indeed inappropriate - such as getting a lower grade because you disagreed on a matter of morality or politics in an English class - others have. And honestly, things like that are pretty widespread.

The idea of bringing a tape recorder is a good one... I may just do that!