Crusader_4 Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 I am very mixed on this topic. I do believe in a sense that God will bestow gifts and special abilities on the faithful...whether they be whatever some perhaps spiritual. Although, I am not in a position to judge who has them i am very sketchy of services were ppl walk in and then come out healed where there leg had grown an extra inch or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted May 7, 2004 Author Share Posted May 7, 2004 apparently this prophetic worship thing is quite popular in nondenominational circles. My friend has a friend at another nondenominational church that does this, and some people in Intervarsity are sort of familiar with it and are intrested in getting more involved with it, and most of them go to ND churches. I take it the consensus on this thread is that it's unbiblical? anyone else care to comment, enlighten? Do any of our ND friends have any insight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewReformation Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='May 6 2004, 04:20 PM'] [b]TBN: Trinity Broadcasting Network[/b]? [/quote] Is that what it stands for? I always called it The Blasphemy Network since they allow preachers on there who deny that the Holy Spirit is a person and part of the Trinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewReformation Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Prophetic Worship is a bit of a complicated subject. It really depends on who you talk to what they're going to say. Most likely, it's referring to one of two things. 1. Prophetic Worship can be on the part of the "Worship(music) leader." The Worship Leader may feel the Holy Spirit pressing him/her to play a particular song in order to touch a certain person or people. The Worship Leader may feel God telling him to play a certain song for an extra amount of time, or to open the altar for people to pray. 2. Prophetic Worship can involve prophets in the church going to people during the worship service and giving a word of personal prophecy. Or, it can involve a prophet or prophets giving a word of prophecy for the entire church. Prophecy is not necassarily a prediction of future events. It also reveals what is hidden in the here and now. It denounces sin in the life of the congregation and demands holiness from the listeners of the prophecy. I could go into much more detail in a seperate thread as to what prophecy is if y'all want. I've done some extensive research into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted May 7, 2004 Author Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='Crusader_4' date='May 6 2004, 07:29 PM'] I am very mixed on this topic. I do believe in a sense that God will bestow gifts and special abilities on the faithful...whether they be whatever some perhaps spiritual. Although, I am not in a position to judge who has them i am very sketchy of services were ppl walk in and then come out healed where there leg had grown an extra inch or something. [/quote] yeah i know what you mean, especially what you said about spiritual gifts,and the gift of prophecy is a dangerous one to assume. I agree wholeheartedly that some may have them, but it's sometimes hard to tell which ones are authentic and from God, and which aren't. especially when they're in ND b/c they don't have anything to guide them, except as some would defend, the bible, but that's all based on their pastors (or their) interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted May 7, 2004 Author Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='NewReformation' date='May 6 2004, 08:50 PM'] Prophetic Worship is a bit of a complicated subject. It really depends on who you talk to what they're going to say. Most likely, it's referring to one of two things. 1. Prophetic Worship can be on the part of the "Worship(music) leader." The Worship Leader may feel the Holy Spirit pressing him/her to play a particular song in order to touch a certain person or people. The Worship Leader may feel God telling him to play a certain song for an extra amount of time, or to open the altar for people to pray. 2. Prophetic Worship can involve prophets in the church going to people during the worship service and giving a word of personal prophecy. Or, it can involve a prophet or prophets giving a word of prophecy for the entire church. Prophecy is not necassarily a prediction of future events. It also reveals what is hidden in the here and now. It denounces sin in the life of the congregation and demands holiness from the listeners of the prophecy. I could go into much more detail in a seperate thread as to what prophecy is if y'all want. I've done some extensive research into it. [/quote] actually this was very helpful NewRef! It sounds alot like what my friend explained what his church does, especially with the music stuff since he plays guitar there. I know he said that he got this book from some people that came into his church that were into this prophecy thing, but i don't know what was written. i'd appreciate it if you did start a thread explaining more about it. I'm just intrested in this for my friends sake, in case if some of you are worried that i'm converting (I'd NEVER consider it!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 THis is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 People often speak of that in these things that there is a baptism of the sprit wat is up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted May 7, 2004 Author Share Posted May 7, 2004 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey's_Girl Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 According to the Assemblies of God official doctrinal statement (Baptism in the Spirit is a core doctrine of AG): [url="http://ag.org/top/beliefs/baptism_hs/baptmhs_00_questions.cfm"]http://ag.org/top/beliefs/baptism_hs/baptm...0_questions.cfm[/url] I tried to find a short section that would boil it down, but for people who know nothing about it, it's sort of complicated...at least, as the website explains it. I didn't want to document-dump. And I'm too tired to do my own summary tonight. Sorry! :sleep: MG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Jason' date='May 6 2004, 11:44 AM'] If I read you new pic right LJ it says: "The last time Jesus showed up in church they killed him"? Should this be allowed mods? [/quote] Cmom, I'm fairly certain that this avatar refers to the erroneous claim by Protestants that Jesus "is sacrificed over and over again at every Mass in the Catholic Church." It's anti-Catholic. It takes one to know one. Or it takes an "ex-" to know one! Thank you, God, for the grace to see the Truth and become a Catholic! JMJ Likos Edited May 7, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='NewReformation' date='May 6 2004, 07:37 PM'] Is that what it stands for? I always called it The Blasphemy Network since they allow preachers on there who deny that the Holy Spirit is a person and part of the Trinity. [/quote] They have one standard: If you can afford to buy the air time, you're on, and can say anything you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='Mickey's_Girl' date='May 6 2004, 05:12 PM'] You're not far off the mark, there: some "dresses-only" people my mom knows (not sure if they're the same as your neighbors, M. Sigga) are VERY anti-Catholic, and would say exactly that about the Pope. [/quote] Just don't dare to trick-or-treat at their house because that's the only time I've seen them get ugly. All the rest of the time they are very polite and honest and witty about their anti-Catholicism which I actually appreciate. There isn't any mind-manipulation like many other groups. Very nice and very very simple people. The fact they casually talk to the devil is sort of wierd; my uncle married one who likes the Church, and she was always in trouble because she never followed to the regulated dresscode, and their kid is Catholic, but the mother-in-law is nuts. She has an actual relationship with devil where they talk regularly and fight with each other - they are wierdos out of Mississippi and she thinks all us Louisiana Catholics are going straight to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='Katholikos' date='May 7 2004, 04:54 AM'] Cmom, I'm fairly certain that this avatar refers to the erroneous claim by Protestants that Jesus "is sacrificed over and over again at every Mass in the Catholic Church." It's anti-Catholic. It takes one to know one. Or it takes an "ex-" to know one! Thank you, God, for the grace to see the Truth and become a Catholic! JMJ Likos [/quote] I know, another pathetic attempt to insult us. Its what happens when people run out of arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 7 2004, 06:48 AM']I know, another pathetic attempt to insult us. Its what happens when people run out of arguments.[/quote] Yeah, that's two votes for pathetic! :squash: :heart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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