Why I Have Been A Jerk Lately

[4588686]

I have been something of a Johnsonville brat the last little while as controversy over the contraception mandate has raged here. And I have been trying to figure out why it has touched such a raw nerve. And I suppose that this is the answer: gays and Muslims. I remember seeing so many of the same individuals here who so bemoan the encroachment of their religious liberty during the 2008 Presidential election being all to happy to encourage the asinine rumors that Barak Obama was a Muslim with the side insinuation that as a secret Muslim with a questionable birthplace he should not be supported as a candidate and represented a unique threat to American democracy. Many of the same people here, who are members of a powerful religious voting block, were happy to defend the xenophobia and and anti-Muslim bigotry that suffused the right wing during those times and was directed to a small and politically impotent religious minority. Many of those same people were also happy to attack the attempt to build a Muslim cultural, the disingenuously nicknamed 'Ground Zero Mosque.' I didn't see any rapping Priests making eloquent songs about how we all need to stand together against the actual encroachment of religious freedom that had bombarded the Muslim community for over a decade now. From attempts to stop them from building mosques to federal attempts to infiltrate university student groups. I see this same eagerness to use your religious beliefs to lambaste the gay community and curb their civil rights.

I guess what I'm saying is that I see nothing principled in this sanctimony. If religious freedom for it's own sake were really a priority then there have been many causes over the years for this community to rally around. Instead, I have seen only justifications and encouragement when a politically unpopular religious group was having their freedom and character run roughshod.

That has been my perspective and I am sure that it is not totally fair and I do apologize for being particularly obnoxious over the past week or so.

[Winchester]

This only explains recent events.

[4588686]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1331255992' post='2397988']
This only explains recent events.
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Time is not noumenal but phenomenal.

[MissyP89]

We're broken people -- you've been here long enough to realize this, I'm sure. Sometimes we're selfish or misinformed or plagued by bias or arrogance. Sometimes we know the truth but are seriously lacking in compassion. Sometimes we just react badly.

It's why we all need salvation. You're broken, too, in different ways. So we're really all in the same boat.

[Guest]

Why wouldnt anyone stick up for muslim rights ? O ya they kill ya if you don't convert.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Guest

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1331258581' post='2398006']
Why wouldnt anyone stick up for muslim rights ? O ya they kill ya if you don't convert.
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are you seriously that thick? Come on DB.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1331257706' post='2397996']
We're broken people -- you've been here long enough to realize this, I'm sure. Sometimes we're selfish or misinformed or plagued by bias or arrogance. Sometimes we know the truth but are seriously lacking in compassion. Sometimes we just react badly.

It's why we all need salvation. You're broken, too, in different ways. So we're really all in the same boat.
[/quote]

Very true. But I do think we could do a better job of admitting when we're wrong, work on our compassion, and whatnot. Collectively. Myself included.

[Winchester]

pfft

[Guest]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1331259873' post='2398017']


are you seriously that thick? Come on DB.
[/quote] Bro its what the Koran teaches 100 percent. And btw I love muslims and have muslim friends.

[Slappo]

I think one of the big differences between the religious freedom of muslims building a mosque near ground zero and Catholics being forced to pay into insurance plans that support contraceptives is the moral nature between the two.

According to the muslim religion it is neither moral or immoral for a muslim to build a mosque near ground zero. It is a morally neutral situation for the muslim religion.

It is inherently immoral for a Catholic to support the use of birth control. There are circumstances that mitigate culpability, but contraception is considered an intrinsic evil by the Catholic Church.

One forces man to go against his conscience and the other is contrary to man's right to own property. So one is merely infringing upon a right, whereas the other is forcing someone to do what is contrary to their religious beliefs.


Now to clarify my personal views: as a Catholic I don't support the building of a mosque anywhere but that goes across the board for all religions that aren't Catholic. I don't support the building of any protestant churches or Jewish synagogues either as I'd rather see everyone become Catholic, and I can't support the spreading of a religion that is not teaching the entire truth. So although I stand up for the rights of the individuals practicing those religions, I'm not exactly ecstatic about them building more churches .

[Basilisa Marie]

nvm.

DB, read the Qur'an sometime. It's an interesting book.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Basilisa Marie

[Guest]

Jesus lol I'm the one who's thick ? You've been here how many years and you're still not catholic ? No salvation outside the True Church. That conscience is gotta be getting close to 100 percent now a days. Peace bro.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1331262795' post='2398033']
nvm.

DB, read the Qur'an sometime. It's an interesting book.
[/quote] Yes or no the Koran teaches if you don't convert you are put to death ? There is a Christian Pastor right now who they are about to hang cause He won't convert. Why would I want to read this book ?

[tinytherese]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1331258581' post='2398006']
Why wouldnt anyone stick up for muslim rights ? O ya they kill ya if you don't convert.
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Only the Fundamentalist Muslims which only represent a small fraction of Islam do that. Your average Muslim is far more moderate and peaceful.

[Guest]

[quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1331263848' post='2398037']


Only the Fundamentalist Muslims which only represent a small fraction of Islam do that. Your average Muslim is far more moderate and peaceful.
[/quote] Ok and like I said I love Muslims. I was just answering original posters question why no one was sticking up for their rights. Mabey its because they had just ran planes into the Twin Towers. And mabey its because at the heart of their religion they are INSTRUCTED to kill whoever won't convert.