Catholicvote Endorses Rick Santorum

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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1331578156' post='2399684']
You fall for the trappings of religious speech, and reject the substance of his behavior.

I'll take the candidate who supports subsidiarity and life through his words [i]and [/i]his actions.
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his actions speak louder than his words, he has seven children... and walks the walk... i see no other canidate who comes even close

who is this canidate you support with subsidiarity and life through his words [i]and [/i]his actions?

[Winchester]

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his actions speak louder than his words, he has seven children... and walks the walk... i see no other canidate who comes even close[/quote]
You've been amply provided with evidence of his political actions. That he has seven kids means exactly poo with how he will run the nation--he is a centrist. He supported increasing the power of the DOE, he supported funding Planned Parenthood, he supports inflation, supports war. So he has seven kids. There are African warlords with lots of kids. So what? Santorum walks the walk of a big government shill.
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who is this canidate you support with subsidiarity and life through his words [i]and [/i]his actions?
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You honestly cannot tell I'm a Ronulan?

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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1331579762' post='2399701']
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You honestly cannot tell I'm a Ronulan?
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good luck with that



[b] Ronulans:[/b] Followers of the harebrained Libertarian/Republican presidential candidate ron paul . Characterized by their incessant spamming of political discussion boards and blind, fervent belief that their candidate is the Savior Of The Republic, Ronulans are reviled by both Republicans and Democrats while simultaneously drawing devotees from the ranks of both.

"Ronulan" is derived from the name romulan , a fictional alien race popularized in the TV and movie series Star Trek, probably due to the fact that so many of them are invasive in nature and are considered [u][u]space cadets[/u][/u]

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[Winchester]

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good luck with that



[b]Ronulans:[/b] Followers of the harebrained Libertarian/Republican presidential candidate ron paul . Characterized by their incessant spamming of political discussion boards and blind, fervent belief that their candidate is the Savior Of The Republic, Ronulans are reviled by both Republicans and Democrats while simultaneously drawing devotees from the ranks of both.

"Ronulan" is derived from the name romulan , a fictional alien race popularized in the TV and movie series Star Trek, probably due to the fact that so many of them are invasive in nature and are considered [u][u]space cadets[/u][/u]
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I'm Catholic. My rules for victory are different. My God let half-wit centurions nail Him to a tree.

See, you party loyalists think that support of a candidate is focused on the candidate. I have certain beliefs. I believe that other people are not my property. Ron Paul also believes this. I want a personhood amendment, which Ron Paul also wants. My focus is on the beliefs, and he matches those. You think it's hare-brained to reject the status-quo, the system that has brought us to this collapse. I think it's hare-brained to trust the government with control over marriage, money, and legalized violence.

[Basilisa Marie]

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I would much rather vote for a weak catholic than an atheistic socialist (any day of the week).
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Oh, so it's better to vote for someone who just looks like a Catholic, rather than someone who looks a bit weird but will actually work to fix the country. And so there's no problem with someone who looks like a Catholic but doesn't follow through as well as he would like everyone to believe. Good to know.

In other news, I default to Winchester's previous comments.

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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1331579762' post='2399701']
There are African warlords with lots of kids. So what?
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A Catholic man with seven children compares to an African Warlord, how?

[Winchester]

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A Catholic man with seven children compares to an African Warlord, how?
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In that they too have seven kids. The point is that having seven kids does not make one a suitable leader.

You're the one using seven kids as some evidence that Santorum is a good presidential candidate.

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[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1331587426' post='2399780']
Oh, so it's better to vote for someone who just looks like a Catholic, rather than someone who looks a bit weird but will actually work to fix the country. And so there's no problem with someone who looks like a Catholic but doesn't follow through as well as he would like everyone to believe. Good to know.

In other news, I default to Winchester's previous comments.
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Ron Paul is a good man, however he can’t get elected. Rick Santorum compromised to get things done, you must be aware that this is how politics works in our country every law or bill has a poison pill or small element attached to another greater good, if the politician disagrees nothing gets done and/or he or she is scorned for not passing to other… in other words your damned if you do and damned if you don’t

Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, sweetheart

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In that they too have seven kids. The point is that having seven kids does not make one a suitable leader.

You're the one using seven kids as some evidence that Santorum is a good presidential candidate.
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You argument is a little feeble, the comparison is ludicrous

[Winchester]

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Ron Paul is a good man, however he can’t get elected. [/quote]
Yes, I'm aware that the establishment tells us this. To my knowledge, there's nothing special about a vote for Ron Paul that makes it not count.

[quote] Rick Santorum compromised to get things done, you must be aware that this is how politics works in our country every law or bill has a poison pill or small element attached to another greater good, if the politician disagrees nothing gets done and/or he or she is scorned for not passing to other… in other words your damned if you do and damned if you don’t[/quote]
Not really. The "goods" are typically some special favor for a special interest group. We don't need more laws, even ones that have some supposed good effect. Santorum has denied that the money is fungible. This shows a stunning lack of economic knowledge. "Greater good" does not justify evil (and I deny that Santorum's votes even necessarily had a "greater good" attached). The principle of double effect is not useful for such a situation. Better to stonewall. Better to stand ground.

[quote]Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, sweetheart
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I'm not. Don't support the establishment out of fear.

[Winchester]

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You argument is a little feeble, the comparison is ludicrous
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You didn't address the response, which condemns the use of "he has seven children" as some kind of assurance that he's a good political leader. You've yet to defend "seven children" as evidence that he understands economy, liberty, or the Constitution. I'm sorry, but virility is not a management technique.

[Nihil Obstat]

Relevant:



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[Winchester]

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[qfnol31]

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You didn't address the response, which condemns the use of "he has seven children" as some kind of assurance that he's a good political leader. You've yet to defend "seven children" as evidence that he understands economy, liberty, or the Constitution. I'm sorry, but virility is not a management technique.
[/quote]I'm gonna jump in here and have some fun...What is so great about Ron Paul that deserves support? I understand and respect the Constitution, but does that mean I'll be a good President?

What does he offer specifically that is so worthy of a President?

[Aloysius]

a clear lack of desire for power that is indicative of the kind of man who most ought to be trusted with power, a consistent record of fighting for constitutional limitations in government, a consistent record of refusing to be bought and paid for by lobbyists (the lobbyists gave up even giving him a call when they wanted some vote for their special interests)

I'm glad you asked that question qfnol, because it gets at the heart of something that is very often lost in the debates over various policies. every other man on those debate stages, every other man in the race, including Obama, has demonstrated a desire for power and continued self-interested actions within their positions in government to increase their power and prestige within their circles. no other man in the running has committed as much political suicide in bucking party leadership and ignoring powerful lobbyists as Ron Paul... and yet somehow he still politically lives. whatever else you think of the man, he's shown that when the opportunity has arisen, he cannot be bought and paid for by special interests, and that's not something you can say about Rick Santorum or any of the others. "willing to compromise" and "working within the system" are Washington DC codes for "selling out" and "increasing one's own power and prestige".

this is not to say folks like Santorum don't truly believe certain things, but they certainly work to empower a system wherein they sell out on those things time and time again so that they can have power and prestige within their party and within the government.

the single greatest reason Ron Paul should be president? because on some level, he never wanted to be. because he's the only one up there who would respond the way George Washington responded if the people tried to make him a king.