Catholicvote Endorses Rick Santorum

[kujo]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1333256152' post='2411398']
I tried to give your post props, but I realized I couldn't. *Sobs*

Either way, for me, it's Romney, or Rick Santorum. I choose Rick Santorum. Nobody has a perfect record, and he has done regrettable decisions that he himself said he wish he hadn't done (Such as No Child Left Behind). I myself am Catholic and believe there is such a thing as Confession and a truly penitent heart. I look for the good in people, and I see a lot of good in Rick Santorum. Everybody complains that he hasn't done everything to their standards. Why do these people not run for president themselves? Why do these people not give an example of who they would like to run? It just seems to me people complain for the sake of complaining without ever doing a thing about it. Complaining accomplishes nothing. Doing something does, for better or for worse. At least Rick Santorum had guts decided to do something.
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[left]1) You "believe in Confession and a truly penitent heart"...what makes you think that Santorum is penitent beyond that which is political expedient? And would you be so magnanimous and deferential to, say, a certain mixed race president with whom you have differences of opinion? [/left]

[left]2) Saying that I should run for president because I am dissatisfied with our current system is ridiculous. It is the job of presidents, congressmen and senators to follow the Constitution of the U.S. They don't. That has nothing to do with my willingness or unwillingness to run for office. Their job has a pretty simple set of bylaws and ethics, and yet they disregard it. Left, right; Democrat or Republican. [/left]

[left]3) Barack Obama had the "guts" to do something, too.[/left]

[left]4) Complaining is central to our democracy. Disagree? Fine. Tell me why. But just know that, by doing so, you're reinforcing my point.[/left]

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1333257968' post='2411405']
[left]1) You "believe in Confession and a truly penitent heart"...what makes you think that Santorum is penitent beyond that which is political expedient? And would you be so magnanimous and deferential to, say, a certain mixed race president with whom you have differences of opinion?[/left]

[left]2) Saying that I should run for president because I am dissatisfied with our current system is ridiculous. It is the job of presidents, congressmen and senators to follow the Constitution of the U.S. They don't. That has nothing to do with my willingness or unwillingness to run for office. Their job has a pretty simple set of bylaws and ethics, and yet they disregard it. Left, right; Democrat or Republican.[/left]

[left]3) Barack Obama had the "guts" to do something, too.[/left]

[left]4) Complaining is central to our democracy. Disagree? Fine. Tell me why. But just know that, by doing so, you're reinforcing my point.[/left]
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I don't know if he is truly penitent. But it is not our job to discern whether he is truly penitent, it is God's. We should not judge people, as this is his job.

I'm not saying you should run for president. I'm saying if all people are going to do is go "We don't have good candidates, we don't have good candidates!" what fruit is that going to bear? Why are you telling me in the first place? If you think we have bad candidates, do something about it. You don't have to run, but you can share your displeasure, show that a large group of people agrees with you (Since the majority does), and demand a better candidate. Complaining on a site will not help. I'm not saying this is what you are doing because I don't know, I haven't been following the thread. But I see many people doing this (And that means the entire world, not the people of this thread or this site), and when you suggest they do something about it they go "Well, I'm not saying [i]me[/i], but somebody has to do something!" Well, if not you, who? Somebody has to take a stand, and somebody needs to have the bravery to do it. Many people do not, such as myself, but instead of complaining on an internet site, people could have done something to get a better candidate in the race before now. Complaining now is useless in the first place anyway. The race is more than halfway over and there's nothing we can do about it. Everyone has this hope of a 3rd party candidate, but unfortunately we have a two-party system and it appears as if it will be that way for a very long time, if not until a revolution occurs. We need to stop dividing ourselves, stand united, and take out American's greatest threat: Obama and his agenda. Yes, that may mean we have to vote for Mitt Romney, but we can work on things after Marx Junior is out of office. At least Romney has actually had a job and is a businessman that knows how economics work and how regulations impede jobs, not help them (Note: I am in no way a Romney fan).

Yes, Obama did do something. He's done terrible things, and it has started the biggest economic controversy since The Great Depression. However, he has his own personal agenda of "fundamentally changing the United States of America". His own agenda is driven by his own gain, and a handful of Marxism, Leninism, and socialism in order to do it. We need a real man/woman to get up and do something not for his/her own gain, but for everyone's gain. Spending us into oblivion is to no one's gain but Obama's, since he can't be touched. No matter what he'll be rich and taken care of. But we need a real man that wasn't born into politics and has a sound view of economics and morals to take charge and lead this country to greatness, and business as usual will not accomplish this.

Sorry if this is messy or it doesn't make sense at parts, but it's one in the morning and I'm tired.

Edited April 1, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[Winchester]

derka derka

[Winchester]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TS4KCaoAGM[/media]

[qfnol31]

And this thread has now become moot...

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1333328470' post='2411679']
derka derka
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Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye's posts make more sense than the above.

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[kujo]

So glad this bowl of borscht is out of the running...

[Jesus_lol]

Well, with Mitt Romney as the main GOP guy left, its gonna be interesting seeing the mental gymnastics required to paint him as the lesser evil(as opposed to Obama) here.

[kujo]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1334436363' post='2417831']
Well, with Mitt Romney as the main GOP guy left, its gonna be interesting seeing the mental gymnastics required to paint him as the lesser evil(as opposed to Obama) here.
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I actually like Romney. Against my better judgement, I think he might be exactly the sort of person we need to right this ship. Firebrands and controversial types do nothing but polarize. I don't think we need someone to "bring the sword." We've got enough sharp objects flying around this country already. Romney's strength seems to me to be that his natural bipartisanship. He's clearly a Republican, but he's not about to be one of these rigid ideologues you see on either side of the proverbial aisle.

For me, I want my president to begin every policy discussion or decision with the question "Is federal intervention the wisest and most efficient method in this case?" I believe Romney is the type of man who will do that. His answer to that question might differ from mine, but I believe it will certainly land closer to mine than Obama's. Democrats tend to begin their own deliberations with the question "How can the federal government address this issue?" It's a philosophical difference that, while not evil or devilish in nature, predisposes them towards the interventionist mindset that myself and other rationally-minded conservatives disagree with.

Edited April 14, 2012 by kujo

[Jesus_lol]

mhm, thats a pretty natural difference between similar people in the two different parties. and that is mostly what we should be voting for, is the process we want government to take when deciding to fix or not intervene in a problem.

I was just commenting on how difficult it is gonna be for some to try and convince people that mitt romney is the polar opposite and only other option to the "socialist anti christ" a lot of people seem to think Obama is.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1334450147' post='2417917']I was just commenting on how difficult it is gonna be for some to try and convince people that mitt romney is the polar opposite and only other option to the "socialist anti christ" a lot of people seem to think Obama is.[/quote]
Less Americans actually believe this than you think.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334452776' post='2417957']
Less Americans actually believe this than you think.
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I would hope so. But a few on this site do, and a lot of people with access to TV and internet in the states do. I would consider the number to be a lot higher than it should be.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1334450147' post='2417917']
mhm, thats a pretty natural difference between similar people in the two different parties. and that is mostly what we should be voting for, is the process we want government to take when deciding to fix or not intervene in a problem.

I was just commenting on how difficult it is gonna be for some to try and convince people that mitt romney is the polar opposite and only other option to the "socialist anti christ" a lot of people seem to think Obama is.
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I get a special joy when conversing with someone who calls Obama a socialist. I agree, of course, but the joy comes when I tell them that he is the same kind of socialist as the typical Republican.

RUFFLE THE FEATHERS

[Anomaly]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1334440620' post='2417856']
I actually like Romney. Against my better judgement, I think he might be exactly the sort of person we need to right this ship. Firebrands and controversial types do nothing but polarize. I don't think we need someone to "bring the sword." We've got enough sharp objects flying around this country already. Romney's strength seems to me to be that his natural bipartisanship. He's clearly a Republican, but he's not about to be one of these rigid ideologues you see on either side of the proverbial aisle.

For me, I want my president to begin every policy discussion or decision with the question "Is federal intervention the wisest and most efficient method in this case?" I believe Romney is the type of man who will do that. His answer to that question might differ from mine, but I believe it will certainly land closer to mine than Obama's. Democrats tend to begin their own deliberations with the question "How can the federal government address this issue?" It's a philosophical difference that, while not evil or devilish in nature, predisposes them towards the interventionist mindset that myself and other rationally-minded conservatives disagree with.
[/quote]Dude, mad props. My sentiments excatly, matching my ironic wit, pointed ironic analogy, though lacking my subtle sarcasm.

[kujo]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1334512524' post='2418207']
Dude, mad props. My sentiments excatly, matching my ironic wit, pointed ironic analogy, though lacking my subtle sarcasm.
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I appreciate the props and look forward towards reaching the highest degree of Anomalyism!