Theology On Tap Asked To Leave Bar

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You can find 'worship' used interchangeably with 'religion' in the writings of Madison, Jefferson, the Georgian constitution, and the (early) Massachusetts constitution, by the way.

Just to dispel the notion that I pulled that claim out of my arse.

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1330997076' post='2396700']
You can find 'worship' used interchangeably with 'religion' in the writings of Madison, Jefferson, the Georgian constitution, and the (early) Massachusetts constitution, by the way.

Just to dispel the notion that I pulled that claim out of my arse.
[/quote]Not in Kansas. It's well established there and many other places that freedom of religion also refers to other aspects of life.

Anyways, I don't disagree that the owner had the right to keep Theology on Tap from coming back (though it sounds on CNA like he might like them back), but it is dumb business to refuse a bunch of people who are going to raise the amount of drinks substantially more than any fallout they would have occurred otherwise. Never underestimate the drinking power of Catholics on a mission!

[fides' Jack]

Hasan, what are you smoking?

Are you just looking for a fight?


Obviously that sentence was put there to attract attention. And it did. Because we're 'discussing' it. Regardless, it doesn't specify what in the night occurred that brought the bishop closer to a matter of religious freedom. Anyway, the bishop didn't use those words, the reporter did.

Let it go.

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[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1331177570' post='2397573']
Hasan, what are you smoking?

Are you just looking for a fight? [/QUOTE]

I'm not. People like this nitwit Bishop are the ones looking for a fight. Hence his speaking with an unpleasant disposition about this non-issue


[QUOTE] Obviously that sentence was put there to attract attention. [/QUOTE]

Obvious to you. Not to the numerous individuals who will read this story and think it actually represents the erosion of religious liberty.

[QUOTE] And it did. Because we're 'discussing' it. Regardless, it doesn't specify what in the night occurred that brought the bishop closer to a matter of religious freedom. Anyway, the bishop didn't use those words, the reporter did.

Let it go.
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Which words?

[fides' Jack]

No, I'm not going to nitpick little details on this one.

Please just let it go.

[fides' Jack]

For the record, what's really ticking me off here has nothing to do with the story. I hate seeing bishops disrespected with words like "nitwit" and "pulling it out of his arse".

If you're going to be at a Catholic forum, at least have the courtesy to post with more respect for members of Church hierarchy.

If you disagree with his Excellency, fine, but don't call him childish names - I guess I see that as an attack on the Church, whether that's how you meant it or not.

[Tony]

A Priest, a Rabbi and a Minister walk into a bar. the Bartender asks is this a joke?

sorry.. I had to

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[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1331223228' post='2397728']
For the record, what's really ticking me off here has nothing to do with the story. I hate seeing bishops disrespected with words like "nitwit" and "pulling it out of his arse".

If you're going to be at a Catholic forum, at least have the courtesy to post with more respect for members of Church hierarchy.

If you disagree with his Excellency, fine, but don't call him childish names - I guess I see that as an attack on the Church, whether that's how you meant it or not.
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You're right. I apologize.

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The bishop is right. The bottom line is that we see religion discussed less and less in public life. If it is brought up in a bar type setting, some people may feel uncomfortable because they think religion should be kept private. In the end, it becomes a sort of reverse decrimination. It's no different than saying-"I don't mind what race you are, I'm open to all races, just make sure you act white in public".

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[quote name='Momma's Boy' timestamp='1331236213' post='2397817']
The bishop is right. The bottom line is that we see religion discussed less and less in public life. If it is brought up in a bar type setting, some people may feel uncomfortable because they think religion should be kept private. In the end, it becomes a sort of reverse decrimination. It's no different than saying-"I don't mind what race you are, I'm open to all races, just make sure you act white in public".
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You don't have any sort of right to have your beliefs affirmed by the public. That being said, I can't tell you how ridiculousness I find it that you think that it is getting difficult to talk about God in public. The country overwhelmingly self-identifies as Christian, almost all politicians have to affirm their 'faith' and its central importance to their lives. Even Barak Obama and John McCain, two individuals almost certainly far more secular than a sincere Christian like George Bush, have to profess their deep and abiding Christian faith to be considered electable. Go count how many professed atheists or agnostics are in congress.

People do, however, often find a persecution complex colored with sanctimony and self-importance, somewhat grating, which may explains His Excellency's reception.

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1331254937' post='2397978']
You don't have any sort of right to have your beliefs affirmed by the public. That being said, I can't tell you how ridiculousness I find it that you think that it is getting difficult to talk about God in public. The country overwhelmingly self-identifies as Christian, almost all politicians have to affirm their 'faith' and its central importance to their lives. Even Barak Obama and John McCain, two individuals almost certainly far more secular than a sincere Christian like George Bush, have to profess their deep and abiding Christian faith to be considered electable. Go count how many professed atheists or agnostics are in congress.

People do, however, often find a persecution complex colored with sanctimony and self-importance, somewhat grating, which may explains His Excellency's reception.
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I don't care about professing Christians. I care about people who stand up for their faith.


Correction, Obama and others lie about their Christian faith to get elected.

The view of traditional marriage is most often understood to be "homophobic." Those that defend the unborn are accused of shutting down "women's rights."


Traditional marriage is a hallmark of Christian moral behavior and is Biblical. Obama's views are "evolving," and he is taking down DOMA. Obama is a traitor to the Christian tradition of marriage along with the states that are championing the newly invented "gay rights." Several states are performing gay marriages. This is not Christian. This is paganism.

The lack of a conscience clause for religious people......very Christian of Obama and the Senate. Several Catholic Charities are being forced out of the adoption service because of their beliefs in the foundation of society.

Obama's lack of respect for the intricate dignity of innocent human life along with all the other congressmen who vote to fund the destruction of innocent human life.

Obama recognizes Muslim events, but ignores or downplays Easter and other Christian days.

Our whole government may profess Christianity. But many practice a secularism. And that is worrisome. How many leaders act like that their values come from Christianity? Very few.

If a political leader advocates for gay marriage, abortion, or contraception......all of these issues are at odds with a Christian Tradition of 2,000 years. Any politician who advocates for any of these positions, is not practicing Christianity, but rather atheism.

It is not quite safe yet for a politician to declare their true secular faith. But many already practice it....and that is what counts.