brandelynmarie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 [b] Irony: Bar boots Denver bishop giving private talk on threats to religious liberty[/b] DENVER, March 2, 2012 ([url="http://lifesitenews.com/"]LifeSiteNews.com[/url]) - Just after speaking about society’s slow descent into adversity against religious freedom, the bishop administering the Catholic [url="http://archden.org/"]ArchDiocese[/url] of Denver found himself in a closer encounter with the subject than he’d anticipated. [img]http://www.lifesitenews.com/images/sized/images/news/Bishop_Conle-240x301.gif[/img] Bishop James Conley was speaking to a Theology on Tap group on Jan. 26 about how America is turning into an “atheocracy†at Stoney’s Bar and Grill of Denver when trouble began brewing. “America today is becoming what I would call an atheocracy—a society that is actively hostile to religious faith and religious believers. And I might add, the faith that our society is most hostile toward is Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular,†[url="http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/religion-faith22022212/religion-faith22022212/"]said[/url] Conley, according to one report. “I think we all recognize that there is a new mentality in America, one that has grave risks for all believers—and puts in jeopardy all faith-based movements for social change and renewal. An atheocracy is a dangerous place—morally and spiritually. ... We risk becoming a nation without a soul, a people with no common purpose apart from material pursuits.†Even though the remarks were given in a private area of the bar, patrons [url="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/denver-theology-on-tap-inspires-controversy-venue-change/"]reportedly[/url] began aiming snide remarks at the prelate, with one shouting an obscenity at Conley. Workers also complained to management at having to serve the bishop, according to the report, and some refused to serve the group. The night ended with the restaurant saying that the event was “too controversial†and requesting that Theology on Tap take its business elsewhere. However, the owner of Stoney’s told Catholic News Agency that the dust-up was a “misunderstanding†and that the restaurant hoped to work with the group in the future. EWTN reports that Katie Mullen’s Irish Restaurant and Pub welcomed the Theology on Tap following the row. “It’s ironic that the talk itself pertains so well to what happened,†Chris Stefanick, director of the archdiocese’s office for youth, told CNA, who also hinted that the loss of Theology on Tap would lose Stoney’s a lot of customers. “There were about 300 people there on a night that otherwise would be kind of dead,†he said. Conley’s talk quoted Pope Benedict XVI on the leftist claim that religion is the source of violence. “The enemies of religion ... see in religion one of the principal sources of violence in the history of humanity and thus they demand that it disappear,†said Pope Benedict. “But the denial of God has led to much cruelty and to a degree of violence that knows no bounds, which only becomes possible when man no longer recognizes any criterion or any judge above himself.†This, said Conley, was a description of the “moral and political landscape of an atheocracy.†“Without God, there is no basis for morality and no necessary protections for man,†the bishop said. “The strong decide what is right or wrong—even who lives and who dies. ... That is where we seem to be heading in America today. A lot of people would argue that we are already there.†[url="http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/irony-bar-boots-denver-bishop-giving-private-talk-on-threats-to-religious-l"]http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/irony-bar-boots-denver-bishop-giving-private-talk-on-threats-to-religious-l[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I wonder if they would have done this to his predecessor Archbishop Chaput? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 No problem, we'll be taking our regular and probably decent-sized patronage elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Fortunately my group has never been asked to leave the bar. We've had, with one exception, marvelous experiences; probably because the bar we frequent is happy to have us on slow Tuesday nights, and it doesn't hurt that we're polite. Like US Airways said, if bad things happen, take your sizeable weekly business elsewhere, which these young people have done following their previous bar proving the Archbishop's point... The one negative experience we had for our group was when we were coming out of the bar, still discussing forgiveness when a drunken man took umbridge to the topic. He got in the face of our president's fiancee and kept trying to provoke him and threatening him, all the while hollering obscenities about how Christians in this town don't really forgive. Eventually, he walked off and we prayed for him there on the sidewalk outside the bar, with the bouncer just kind of staring in shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clare~Therese Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Well that's ironic, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 that was pretty dumb. Catholics can out drink prots easily. lorf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Kicking Catholics out of a bar is just stupid business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yes, yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1330917601' post='2396349'] that was pretty dumb. Catholics can out drink prots easily. lorf [/quote] Don't be so sure. Have you hung out with many Episcopalians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1330919623' post='2396382'] Don't be so sure. Have you hung out with many Episcopalians? [/quote] Nah, they only look like they can drink as well as Catholics. Norwegian Lutherans, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresaThoma Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 This was pretty sad, I heard about it when it first happened through Facebook. Thankfully they were able to quickly find a new location. All I have to say is that bar just lost a good chunk of regular business. That for the servers was probably easily a few hundred dollars in tips on a Tuesday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1330919623' post='2396382'] Don't be so sure. Have you hung out with many Episcopalians? [/quote] yeah, but most of them are really Catholics on their way home -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The restaurant and the people there made the Bishop's point better than he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1330950272' post='2396456'] The restaurant and the people there made the Bishop's point better than he did. [/quote] That's not religious liberty. You don't have a right to have a meeting in a bar against the bar owner's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Thank goodness this happened to Catholics and not Muslims... Obama would have had to apologize AGAIN! talk about eggs on faces.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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