Rush Limbaugh: Certified Cretin

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[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1330830550' post='2395970']
Read your post
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I really don't feel like cryptology. Maybe you work in politics but are not a politician? I don't know. There are a number of places where you could fit that in. If you want to tell my your point then I'm interested in hearing it, but I'm really not interested in guessing.

[Papist]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1330830900' post='2395976']


I really don't feel like cryptology. Maybe you work in politics but are not a politician? I don't know. There are a number of places where you could fit that in. If you want to tell my your point then I'm interested in hearing it, but I'm really not interested in guessing.
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You said "as opposed to the Papist"

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1330830900' post='2395976']
I really don't feel like cryptology. Maybe you work in politics but are not a politician? I don't know. There are a number of places where you could fit that in. If you want to tell my your point then I'm interested in hearing it, but I'm really not interested in guessing.
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[spoiler] you referred to the guy running as "papist" which is coincidentally Papist's pm username[/spoiler]

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[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1330830822' post='2395974']
True, from what I've read she was talking about people she knew who found contraception to be expensive. However, the greater point is that a student at a Catholic university should not be going before congressional or party committees and publicly advocating things in public that not only are contrary to Church teaching but also advocating taking away the freedom of religion of the institution that she is attending.

Even if she is not peddling her own promiscuity, she is the one who made herself a target.
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So any woman with any views on contraception are asking for it if some demagog wants to call them silly sallies and prostitutes in front of his audience of millions?

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1330831032' post='2395978']
You said "as opposed to the Papist"
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Ah, sorry. Didn't sleep last night and am somewhat cranky and not very quick on the uptake.

[MissMaro]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1330830822' post='2395974']
True, from what I've read she was talking about people she knew who found contraception to be expensive. However, the greater point is that a student at a Catholic university should not be going before congressional or party committees and publicly advocating things in public that not only are contrary to Church teaching but also advocating taking away the freedom of religion of the institution that she is attending.

Even if she is not peddling her own promiscuity, she is the one who made herself a target.
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I'm not in favor of what she's doing. I don't have to agree with her to think she should be treated with respect and that it's always wrong to call women those kinds of names. She may or may not be promiscuous. I have no idea. But I think it would be wrong of him to talk about her that way, even if she were promiscuous.

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I don't think there is a situation in which I'd feel comfortable calling a woman the s-word to her face. Saying it on a national platform is completely inexcusable, even if you are talking to a porn queen.

[Aloysius]

I knew I'd get beaten down pretty hard for that comment haha... let me think a bit... I think I just have a typical aversion to jumping on a bandwagon of being "offended". I'm no fan of Rush Limbaugh, as I said before, but I'll say this of what I said explaining his hyperbolic analogy: I don't actually even agree with my own defense, if I think about it. actually, I'm usually largely annoyed by the attitude even of fellow sexually-moral Christians (and if that's true about the viagra on vacation I think we can assume Mr. Limbaugh is not one of those) who talk about those who sexually sin in a condescending way... usually the way I talk about it, to be perfectly honest, is sort of in-between "but for the grace of God would I have gone" and "I kinda wish I had just given up on this years ago and been razzle dazzle like everyone else I know... I mean I've got 16 years until I'm a lame joke of a movie, of course unlike the movie I've totally had opportunity and chose not to, but come on, God, throw me a bone, I need a girl to marry soon!" and then a resigning "well, Jesus made it for 33 years while being fully human, who am I to complain, huh?".... basically, not the smug "every girl who doesn't wait till marriage is the silliest of sallies" kind of attitude that a few friends of mine have.

alright, so, after the TMI section of my rant, let me explain what I'm trying to say: yeah, I don't actually see it as prostitution, in fact you can actually see at the end of the video where he himself realized his analogy was pretty twisted up so that he couldn't actually say who the "johns" were and who the "pimps" were, I was just trying to give a sort of explanation for what he was trying to say by the hyperbole... I actually had the same kind of aversion to being offended by the recent HuffPo article about Santorum's flesh-eating-cult, so it cuts both ways, I think I just don't like to be offended lol.

I hereby rescind my former post and ammend it to say that I see a little bit of what Mr. Limbaugh was trying to say here, but I don't really like it, even if I'm not insanely offended by it like some people are.

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1330831266' post='2395981']
So any woman with any views on contraception are asking for it if some demagog wants to call them silly sallies and prostitutes in front of his audience of millions?



Ah, sorry. Didn't sleep last night and am somewhat cranky and not very quick on the uptake.
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Too much celebrating over the game? I sure did.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1330749499' post='2395573']
I've debated internally if I should broach this topic since I don't want to give him the publicity but my contribution should be negligible.

As many people should know, Rush Limbaugh refuted any doubt that he is a genuine dishonorable piece of poo when he called a Georgetown law student who wanted to testify to congress the need for woman to have access to health care. Whatever you think of the contraception mandate, and I understand why reasonable people feel strongly against it, there is no possible excuse for Limbaughs comments about this young woman who is not a professional pundit or politician.

If you listen to Rush Limbaugh I chalenge you to explain how you as a Catholic justify listining to him this very crass decision to attack this young woman's behavior and character to get some quick, cheep publicity.

Original video

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9JLRypv9eA[/media]

Article that seems to be about it:
[url="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/rush-limbaugh-sandra-fluke-a-silly%20sally-and-prostitute/"]http://abcnews.go.co...and-prostitute/[/url]



That first video was the first offense, by the way. He doubled down and really became only more offense over the next few days.
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The outrage towards Rush is certainly justified. Plus Rush took the argument in the wrong direction anyway. But where I have yet to hear the outrage against Bill Maher for calling Sarah Palin a c**t. In fact he bragged about it on his show this week.

I would hope all people would be offended by Maher's comments.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1330831266' post='2395981']
So any woman with any views on contraception are asking for it if some demagog wants to call them silly sallies and prostitutes in front of his audience of millions?

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[quote name='MissMaro' timestamp='1330831609' post='2395984']
I'm not in favor of what she's doing. I don't have to agree with her to think she should be treated with respect and that it's always wrong to call women those kinds of names. She may or may not be promiscuous. I have no idea. But I think it would be wrong of him to talk about her that way, even if she were promiscuous.
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Well, I guess I grew up in those "unenlightened dark ages" when it was perfectly acceptable to "call a spade a spade" without having to walk on eggshells of PC. Maybe that is why back then when certain people were behaving like a bunch of rabid cocker spaniels in heat there was societal pressure to at least keep it to themselves and not infect the rest of the public with it, and you didn't have the epidemic of STDs, out-of-wedlock births, cohabitation, etc. So, making a distinction between "virgins" and "silly sallies" actually served a purpose in checking promiscuity - people at least knew it was wrong as opposed to accepting it as normal and expected.

Even if "Ms." Fluke is not the s-word herself, she cast her lot with those who are. As the saying goes, "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas".

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1330882522' post='2396137']
Well, I guess I grew up in those "unenlightened dark ages" when it was perfectly acceptable to "call a spade a spade" without having to walk on eggshells of PC. Maybe that is why back then when certain people were behaving like a bunch of rabid cocker spaniels in heat there was societal pressure to at least keep it to themselves and not infect the rest of the public with it, and you didn't have the epidemic of STDs, out-of-wedlock births, cohabitation, etc. So, making a distinction between "virgins" and "silly sallies" actually served a purpose in checking promiscuity - people at least knew it was wrong as opposed to accepting it as normal and expected.

Even if "Ms." Fluke is not the s-word herself, she cast her lot with those who are. As the saying goes, "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas".
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you might not enjoy living in a world where people feel free to call a spade a spade.

[MissMaro]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1330882522' post='2396137']
Well, I guess I grew up in those "unenlightened dark ages" when it was perfectly acceptable to "call a spade a spade" without having to walk on eggshells of PC. Maybe that is why back then when certain people were behaving like a bunch of rabid cocker spaniels in heat there was societal pressure to at least keep it to themselves and not infect the rest of the public with it, and you didn't have the epidemic of STDs, out-of-wedlock births, cohabitation, etc. So, making a distinction between "virgins" and "silly sallies" actually served a purpose in checking promiscuity - people at least knew it was wrong as opposed to accepting it as normal and expected.

Even if "Ms." Fluke is not the s-word herself, she cast her lot with those who are. As the saying goes, "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas".
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If you want to call "call a spade a spade," the most you can say is that she's a woman who uses contraception and who therefore probably sometimes has sex outside of marriage (since I gather she's not married.) That's really all we know, and, while I don't approve of either thing, I don't see how hurling insults at her is likely to show her how great Christianity is. Jesus could have called the woman caught in adultery any number of insulting names, but instead he said "Neither do I condemn you. [b]Go, and sin no more[/b]."

He didn't have to sling mud to express disapproval, and if we want to be like him, neither should we. It's simply impossible to call people ugly names with charity and doing so is an obvious violation of the golden rule.

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[quote name='jaime' timestamp='1330880482' post='2396128']
The outrage towards Rush is certainly justified. Plus Rush took the argument in the wrong direction anyway. But where I have yet to hear the outrage against Bill Maher for calling Sarah Palin a c**t. In fact he bragged about it on his show this week.

I would hope all people would be offended by Maher's comments.
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I thin that's way over the line. I don't like Maher. I think he's a smug arse portal which is remarkable since I've heard anything thought from him that could be considered particularly profound or interesting.

I do think that there is a difference. Sarah Palin is a national figure and has a huge network of supporters who are happy to take up her cause. This girl is a private citizen being attacked by a figure with millions of aily listeners. Speaking personally, the misogyny is bad, but what really set me off with regards to Limbaugh is the bullying. This girl isn't a national figure. She's just a private citizen. She's not getting paid millions of dollars to play the game but Limbaugh decided to dump on her anyway. I don't feel as bad for Sarah Palin because she is a provocateur who was happy to rally the mobs against Muslims and play on xenophobia and gets paid huge sums of money to do it.

This is the same reason I wasn't so offended when I was listening to the radio a few years ago and hear Limbaugh encourage a caller to refer to Nancy Pelosi as a beesh. It's distasteful, but Nancy Pelosi is a powerful woman. She can fight back if she wants to go to the floor with Limbaugh politically. That's not the case for this young woman. She has little power in her own right. A week from now the pundits who used her to attack Limbaugh will have forgotten all about her. But, for millions of Americans, she'll always be that silly sally who wanted the government to buy her pills so she could fulfill her unchecked monstrous libido.

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[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1330882522' post='2396137']
Well, I guess I grew up in those "unenlightened dark ages" when it was perfectly acceptable to "call a spade a spade" without having to walk on eggshells of PC. Maybe that is why back then when certain people were behaving like a bunch of rabid cocker spaniels in heat there was societal pressure to at least keep it to themselves and not infect the rest of the public with it, and you didn't have the epidemic of STDs, out-of-wedlock births, cohabitation, etc. So, making a distinction between "virgins" and "silly sallies" actually served a purpose in checking promiscuity - people at least knew it was wrong as opposed to accepting it as normal and expected.

Even if "Ms." Fluke is not the s-word herself, she cast her lot with those who are. As the saying goes, "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas".
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I hope you never have daughters who have to deal with men who hold your opinions.

[StMichael]

Viagra was created to help men who have a medical condition, condoms and the such are to stop pregnancy so you can whoop it up all you want.

Ms. Fluke, not the 23 co-ed she was first reported, but 30, knew full well that Georgetown would not support her wants.

All of this political distraction is mind numbing, but here is some on Ms. Fluke:


[b] SANDRA FLUKE: A FAKE VICTIM OF GEORGETOWN’S POLICY ON CONTRACEPTIVES?[/b]


[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]Since her controversial testimony on February 23, Sandra Fluke has been called many things, from a heroine to a “silly sally,” but actually, she may just be a fake. [i][url="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/stunner-georgetown-coed-sandra-fluke-is-a-30-year-old-womens-rights-activist/"]Gateway Pundit[/url][/i] and [i][url="http://michellemalkin.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-is-not-a-silly%20sally-shes-a-femme-agogue-tool/"]Hot Air[/url][/i] suggest that may be the case, with citations to a post by[i] [url="http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/sandra-flukes-appearance-is-no-fluke/"]Jammie Wearing Fools[/url][/i] that introduces the following interesting information:[/size][/font]

[left]For me the interesting part of the story is the ever-evolving “coed”. I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.[/left]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]Though there aren’t links in the original post to the content mentioned, a little digging shows that it’s all true. Fluke has described herself as a third year law student at Georgetown University, and indeed, that is what she is. However, contrary to the narrative of innocent victimhood that portrays Fluke as a wide-eyed 23-year-old girl caught without contraception on a college campus full of predatory men, Fluke herself is really a 30-year-old women‘s rights activist who not only didn’t get caught without contraception at Georgetown, but specifically knew the university didn’t cover it and chose to attend [i]for precisely that reason[/i].[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]First, there‘s the matter of Fluke’s age. In a segment on Fluke’s battle with Rush Limbaugh, MSNBC reporter Anne Williams called Fluke “the 23-year-old Georgetown law student, prohibited from testifying.” Yet Fluke’s own [url="http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=3781244&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=yv4C&locale=en_US&srchid=41ad1f4b-57c8-4e5d-97b9-5e1fbfb78ed4-0&srchindex=1&srchtotal=11&goback=%2Efps_PBCK_sandra+fluke_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false_1_R_*1_*51_*1_*51_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2&pvs=ps&trk=pp_profile_name_link"]Linkedin[/url] profile reveals a more mature woman:[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4][url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sandra-fluke-a-fake-victim-of-georgetowns-policy-on-contraceptives/screen-shot-2012-03-02-at-9-18-22-pm/"][img]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-Shot-2012-03-02-at-9.18.22-PM.png[/img][/url][/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]In fact, according to that profile, she graduated from college in 2003. Barring Fluke being a child prodigy who somehow graduated college at the age of 15, this would make her at least 30 years old:[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4][url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sandra-fluke-a-fake-victim-of-georgetowns-policy-on-contraceptives/screen-shot-2012-03-02-at-9-18-40-pm/"][img]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-Shot-2012-03-02-at-9.18.40-PM.png[/img][/url][/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]It‘s worth noting the massive number of women’s issues groups Fluke was involved in, even while in college.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]Now, to be fair, Fluke’s age could have been misreported by the media. Most 3rd year law students are at least 25, and they could have confused her for being an undergraduate senior rather than a 3rd year law student.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]The idea that Fluke is herself an unwitting victim of Georgetown’s policy on contraceptives is another matter entirely. In several [url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57389769-503544/sandra-fluke-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-silence-women/"]interviews[/url], especially following Rush Limbaugh’s attack, Fluke has implicitly included herself in the group of women who allegedly unwittingly suffer as a result of Georgetown’s policies. This is a key point for the Democrats supporting her, for if Fluke did happen to read Georgetown’s insurance policy before coming and decide to come anyway, that would, at best, undermine her spokeswoman status.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]But what if she not only decided to attend the university anyway, but decided to attend specifically so she could fight this battle? Consider this passage from an early [i]Washington Post[/i] story done on Fluke [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/meet-sandra-fluke-the-woman-you-didnt-hear-at-congress-contraceptives-hearing/2012/02/16/gIQAJh57HR_blog.html"]before she was permitted to testify[/url]:[/size][/font]



[left][color=#777777][font=inherit][size=4]Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue. The issue got the university president’s office last spring, where Georgetown declined to change its policy.[/size][/font][/color][/left]

[left][color=#777777][font=inherit][size=4]Fluke says she would have used the hearing to talk about the students at Georgetown that don’t have birth control covered, and what that’s meant for them. “I wanted to be able to share their stories,” she says. “My testimony would have been about women who have been affected by their policy, who have medical needs and have suffered dire consequences.. . .The committee did not get to hear real stories I had to share, about actual women who have been dramatically affected by this policy.”[/size][/font][/color][/left]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]That’s right. It seems Fluke intentionally chose to go to Georgetown so she could agitate and sway them to cover contraceptives. She then went to a hearing as a representative of women who hadn‘t known about Georgetown’s policy until it was too late. Unsympathetic observers might liken this to James O’Keefe attending a hearing to speak against ACORN on behalf of pimps. It certainly raises the question of why the women Fluke claims to speak for couldn’t present their stories for themselves.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]Indeed, in a video made after she was denied the opportunity to testify, Fluke raises two “stories” from women who had emailed her, supposedly about their non-sex-related need of contraceptive medicine. She does not identify the emailers by name, or even by school, saying simply that they are students at an unnamed Catholic University:[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica,][size=4]<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/OpotlchVjeU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If Fluke’s stories are real, many will likely call on her to let the women who sent them speak for themselves and stop hogging the spotlight, given that she did choose to attend Georgetown knowing full well what its policy was on contraceptives, and with every indication of being willing to risk the price tag — whether that price tag would be $3000 over 3 years or not.[/size][/font]

Edited March 4, 2012 by StMichael