Papist Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Our culture tells us that boys/men and girls/women are not just equal, but the same. So, there is reason people today don't see it as emasculating and no big deal. I am not saying it is or isn't, but one has to wonder why then throughout history across cultures has in been the man to pursue and ask the woman's hand in marriage. IMO, I believe if the man pops the question, then it should be clear where his heart is...more so if the woman pops the question. Men are a lot more reluctant to get married than women. We don't go out and buy Groom magazine after the third date. So, when a man pops the question, it takes a lot of humility and courage b/c he is vowing to lay down his life for his bride, which I believe is the most masculine action a man can do. This is my assessment and experience, and not a commentary on those couples whom the women pop the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1329736697' post='2389909'] If a woman flirts with me, I wonder if she just wants to reject me and put me in her black book of guys she has rejected. If one chick rejects you, other chicks will like you less. So you gotta be careful. Might miss your soulmate. [/quote] I can't quite tell if you're being serious in that last bit or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i<3LSOP Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1329711986' post='2389831'] The poking fun where guidance is needed does bother me sometimes. I know it is almost inevitable, but sometimes it'd be more charitable to actually guide the kid to the truth and reality than to just have fun with an otherwise pointless topic. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1329736697' post='2389909'] If one chick rejects you, other chicks will like you less. So you gotta be careful. Might miss your soulmate. [/quote]No. We don't base our ratings on the ratings of other girls. That would cause us to miss our soulmates as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1329743489' post='2389923'] Our culture tells us that boys/men and girls/women are not just equal, but the same. So, there is reason people today don't see it as emasculating and no big deal. I am not saying it is or isn't, but one has to wonder why then throughout history across cultures has in been the man to pursue and ask the woman's hand in marriage. IMO, I believe if the man pops the question, then it should be clear where his heart is...more so if the woman pops the question. Men are a lot more reluctant to get married than women. We don't go out and buy Groom magazine after the third date. So, when a man pops the question, it takes a lot of humility and courage b/c he is vowing to lay down his life for his bride, which I believe is the most masculine action a man can do. This is my assessment and experience, and not a commentary on those couples whom the women pop the question. [/quote] Precisely. I'm not able to word things as well as you, so you're pretty much my savior in this. And since it has been thought so, I would like to say that I do not think it is sinful or evil for a woman to propose, I simply think it's not the way it's supposed to go. It's like holding the wrong side of a bat when playing baseball to me. It can work, I simply don't think it's supposed to go that way. And just so everyone knows, I re-read this post twice, so I'm trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1329754027' post='2389993'] Precisely. I'm not able to word things as well as you, so you're pretty much my savior in this. And since it has been thought so, I would like to say that I do not think it is sinful or evil for a woman to propose, I simply think it's not the way it's supposed to go. It's like holding the wrong side of a bat when playing baseball to me. It can work, I simply don't think it's supposed to go that way. And just so everyone knows, I re-read this post twice, so I'm trying. [/quote] Well, the good thing about this is that there is not a wrong/sinful position. Regardless who does the asking, sin is not involved....unless you club her over the head and drag her off like the days before the sixties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1329755661' post='2390013'] Well, the good thing about this is that there is not a wrong/sinful position. Regardless who does the asking, sin is not involved....unless you club her over the head and drag her off like the days before the sixties. [/quote] I must've missed that part about the fifties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1329762652' post='2390106'] I must've missed that part about the fifties. [/quote] Point was that before the enlightenment of the sixties with all the newfangled modern thinking, men were neanderthal cavemen. [img]http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emoticons/c/caveman-1523.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1329755661' post='2390013'] Well, the good thing about this is that there is not a wrong/sinful position. Regardless who does the asking, sin is not involved....unless you club her over the head and drag her off like the days before the sixties. [/quote] Ah - the good ol' days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1329763231' post='2390115'] Point was that before the enlightenment of the sixties with all the newfangled modern thinking, men were neanderthal cavemen. [img]http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emoticons/c/caveman-1523.gif[/img] [/quote] Oh yes, who could forget that? Men didn't even know how to shoot a gun back then. 70% of the deaths in WWII happened because men messed with their guns and shot themselves, and the other 30% is because they beat each other to death with guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I joined PM when I was 16, man... I feel old now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Getting back to the topic of what men want. Maybe the question should be asked what do men want in a woman they would want to marry. Yes on a very basic level we 'want' a voluptuous beautiful woman -- who wanted us equally -- to make love to, to shower with, to sleep with etc. even if she's wild, and has a bad reputation. ( I know this is sexual but I'm using this to make a point). But would we really want to marry that woman? Could we imagine raising kids with her? Especially if she has a bad reputation? What if she were beautiful and we really wanted to have sex with her -- but her opinion was very different from ours when it came to morality? Would we want her raising our kids? Would we want her raising our daughters. Could we discuss subjects such as morality of our kids with a wife like this? Would we value her opinion? Do we respect her and forgive her for the way she lived before we married her -- or do we simply try and shut the subject out of our minds and not think about it? Does she look at the marriage commitment the same way? I know that I'm going to make people angry by mentioning this, but so what. This is something that I consider in the women I date. Are her parents divorced? Does she have brothers and sisters who are divorced? How does she view divorce? Is she a "Christian" who shrugs it off as just another sin that Jesus will forgive? Is she a Catholic who agrees with the Catholic church on the subject of Catholic annulments? And does she argue that an annulment is "exactly" the same as never having been married -- and "It merely states that a "Valid" marriage was never entered into." Does she believe that with a decision to use birth control at some point the marriage can become invalid -- and never really existed from the very beginning. In other words does she believe that their are clever loopholes that she can use to get out of the marriage. In other words does she view the commitment of marriage as seriously as you do? Honestly men want somebody they can love, somebody they can trust, somebody they can respect -- and somebody that they find attractive. But dressing immodestly doesn't necessarily increase attractiveness. Men are going to look at women who dress immodestly as "loose" and somebody who probably has a "past".. Edited February 21, 2012 by southern california guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='arfink' timestamp='1329687963' post='2389570'] I'm just going to look at the subject line and ignore the OP post: I am a man. Here are some things I want, in no particular order: [img]http://www.joystickvault.com/data/1192/Ragna_1.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.deliasbrickovenpizza.com/photos/pizza.jpg[/img] [img]http://media.fooducate.com/blog/posts/dietcoke.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/2009-bugatti-164-veyron-fbg-par-hermes-thumbnail.jpg[/img] [/quote] Diet Coke and not beer. A man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='arfink' timestamp='1329687963' post='2389570'] (a bunch of stuff) [/quote] Ooh! my turn! [img]http://donq.com/assets/general/images/bottles/detail_gran.png[/img] [img]http://www.chimay.com/servlet/Repository/photo.jpg?IDR=89&IDQ=40[/img] [img]http://www.indianchieftravel.com/files/u1/BeerStein.png[/img] [img]http://www.weapon-storage.com/weapons/images/M1Garand.jpg[/img] [img]http://imganuncios.mitula.net/1971_volkswagen_passat_value_edition_black_with_black_leather_top_in_concord_twp_ohio_94594612637157374.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2008/2008_pics/1978_kromag_moped.jpg[/img] what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1329736697' post='2389909'] If a woman flirts with me, I wonder if she just wants to reject me and put me in her black book of guys she has rejected. If one chick rejects you, other chicks will like you less. So you gotta be careful. Might miss your soulmate. [/quote] PADDINGTON!!!!!!! WB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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