nikkan_hanil Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Though animals have no spiritual awareness, cloning them for any circumstances would be wrong, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 i believe yes and no....how we are doign it and the intention and understanding would be factored...altho in various vatican documents the Church has spoken slightly in favour and certanily not against genetics and genetic engineering as long as it doesnt damage human dignity and it follows CAtholic social and moral/natural law teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted May 5, 2004 Author Share Posted May 5, 2004 What for like food or clothing purposes? I can't see how this can be harmful but it still lingers with the "playing God" feeling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Yes thats true but remember man has been given authority over the creatures in the earth...again it has to be in the best interets and look at all factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Anyone else wish to address this? As for me, I feel like cloning animals for any reason is wrong too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 To clone an animal would be simply like someone already said, Playing God. We shouldn't have the ability to creat God's creatures through science. We should let God create his world, let's stop having science take over God's planet, since God created these scientists who are taking his spot! Take care, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 With all the animals out there today, why do we even need to clone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 We are not creating Gods creatures...its like AI with cows or genetically advancing animals (not modifying) there is a difference. Also the Vatican has spoken in favour many of times in regards to biotechnology i.e. GMO's i dunno about cloning because it is very different. But i dont see it as playing God with humans i do and that is complelty wrong animals i dont i see it as we are using our authority over them. For example if you could have one cow and mass produce it i dont see anything wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 At the same time however all i need to hear is something from the Vatican against cloning of animals and i agree lol. But i do know they have spoken very in favour of Biotechnology altho it is quite different from cloning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 It is wrong! Not the way God made it to happen. The end. God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='May 17 2004, 12:30 AM'] It is wrong! Not the way God made it to happen. The end. God Bless Jason [/quote] I was saying this with charity by the way, just to the point Love ya guys Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Did God intend the cow farmer with the big rubber glove? Too simple, that argument. Not wrong in conclusion, but too simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 (edited) cloning animals can simply be splitting an embryo to create twins, too. they're clones and can be quite useful in research since your control group would have the same genome. if you're talking 'dolly-sheep' type cloning, i don't really really have a problem with that, as long as there's a purpose (to further science) and not just to do it (that would be cruel since right now most cloned animals get really bad problems when they're young). cloning humans is absolutely wrong. Edited May 17, 2004 by CreepyCrawler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Trying to juggle this debate in my head, I suppose that cloning animals is not always wrong, depending on the reasoning behing it. Much research beneficial to mankind could be attributed to using cloned animals with identical genes. In reality, it's not much different than bio-engineered crops......that is plants who have been bred and/or genetically modified to have homozygous genes (the same form of genes) for every individual or a gene added to produce better yields. Most of us use these crops in some form or another. The bad thing about "creating" organisms with identical genes is that you lose genetic variation, which could having serious consequences for the cloned organisms. For example, if some type of virus could easily infect an organism with one particular allele("one of several possible types") for a gene....and all the "cloned" organisms have that same allele for a gene, then they are pretty much doomed. Now consider a group of these organisms in the wild. Usually no two individuals have the same exact genome, and say there are possibly several alleles for this gene and all of the alleles exist in the gene pool of the organism's population. Then if this virus were to enter the population, the organisms without the allele which makes them more susceptible to the virus are more likely to survive and reproduce.....thus increasing the gene frequency of the better allele. That is natural selection, and it doesn't work well without a random gene pool to choose from. Since we are given authority over the living things of the Earth by God, it would seem as if engineering the genes of these organisms is not wrong if it is for our benefit. I guess it's a tough decision though. I am personally against doing too much altering of genomes...I think it's just asking for trouble. However, there has been a great benefit of genetic engineering to mankind in producing food and medicines. There is one thing that is for certain......the cloning, attempted cloning, or research using human embryos is always wrong. It is pure evil. It is attempting to play God. There is a huge difference between cloning animals and plants and then cloning humans. Humans have souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Joseph well put i completly agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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