Why Isnt Nancy Pelosi Excommunicated ?

[Selah]

But wouldn't it be uber coolness if they recanted and turned to Christ and stuff? I think so.

[Papist]

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Oh, here we go

1. That's not charitable
2. Truth cannot be seperated from charity
3. I heard your mom can't be seperated from...
4. PERSONAL ATTACK
5. *Winchester and L_D banter back and forth about something unrelated*
6. I am a sinner and find sinners disgusting
7. But we are all si-
[color=#ff0000]8. *GLOMP*[/color]
9. SILENCE I AM INFALLIBLE
10. *Tries to get back on topic, fails*
11. *Thread closed*
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Fixed.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Selah' timestamp='1328624606' post='2382994']
But wouldn't it be uber coolness if they recanted and turned to Christ and stuff? I think so.
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yeah, but after hearing about how they would stop children in the streets in Poland, and question their religion (children who were hiding with Christian families) and and if they didn't know basic Christian prayers, they'd stomp on their heads until they were dead and machine gun the family right in the streets...

...i felt my exclamation came out of righteous anger.....sure, it would be great they converted and stuff, but I don't blame anyone for sentiments such as what DB expressed in his first post....there's a moment of righteous anger that you go through, then you're okay.... i was asking God for forgiveness about an hour after making that exclamation...

[beatitude]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1328559092' post='2382496']
To hell with her.
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A Catholic should not be wishing hell on anyone. I hope you were just using the phrase thoughtlessly. I know people throw it around casually, but think about what it really means: you are wishing eternal damnation upon a human being whom God loves and has commanded you to love likewise. Pray for Nancy Pelosi. She holds views that are in flagrant contradiction of what we believe, especially when it comes to the sanctity of human life in its most vulnerable form, but if you look at the Church's history you will find plenty of people who did really awful things who went on to become saints. This is the transformative love of God at work. You should be more interested in learning about these people than in trying to work out if you can know for sure that somebody will be damned. It's definitely more beneficial to you.

Maybe one day it will be the prayers of someone like Nancy Pelosi that aid a sinner like you. Think of that. There are no limits on God's mercy. We must pray that everyone repents and comes to know it.

[Selah]

If God could turn a murderer, thief, adulterer and rapist like Moses the Ethiopian into a Saint, and a holy desert father, anything is possible.

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0209/Pope_preaches_to_Pelosi_on_abortion.html
Pelosi and the Pope had a little talk, last year. It may, (this talk) have fallen on deaf ears?

[CatherineM]

I did a term paper during the last election on the pastoral care of pro- choice politicians. What I wondered at the end was basically why they want to be Catholics since they disagree with pretty much everything.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1328642814' post='2383130']
I did a term paper during the last election on the pastoral care of pro- choice politicians. What I wondered at the end was basically why they want to be Catholics since they disagree with pretty much everything.
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I don't even need to look at politicians to wonder that much...
In my own experience it's just intellectual laziness. They're familiar with Catholicism, so even though they disagree with a lot of it, most of it, even all of it, they simply don't care enough to ask themselves what they do believe, why they believe it, etc.. They don't have the mental energy to actually make a change, any kind of change.

[catholicinsd]

I feel like Mrs. Pelosi has never directly been involved in an abortion, while so many Catholic governors have played an active role in promoting the culture of death by signing death warrants. Where is the outrage there?

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Righteous Anger' timestamp='1328587438' post='2382867']
This is harsh coming from an internet forum user...
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[quote name='Righteous Anger' timestamp='1328668688' post='2383393']disparaging
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[inunionwithrome]

The only thing we can do for politicians who have gone away from church teachings is to pray for them. In Luke 1:47 "With God all things are possible" May we pray for their souls to be given a conscience voice in doing the right thing and for them to return to the faith with a sincere heart.

[qfnol31]

This almost needs its own thread, but one of Obama's largest supporters has criticized this whole decision. Tim Kaine is a Democratic Catholic. Rasmussen had a poll that said 50% of Americans reject this move by HHS and the President. With what Catholics is Pelosi in accord?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/kaine-splits-with-obama-on-birth-control-rule/2012/02/08/gIQAVGrWzQ_blog.html


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[b] Tim Kaine splits with Obama on birth control rule for religious groups[/b]
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Former Virginia governor Timothy M. Kaine criticized the Obama administration’s new policy requiring some religious institutions to provide coverage for prescription contraceptives, a rare instance of disagreement between the Senate candidate and his close political ally.
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[color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=1]File photo: Former governor and Democratic Senate candidate Tim Kaine (L) and President Obama. (Linda Davidson - The Washington Post)[/size][/font][/color]The insurance rule has [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-advisors-seek-compromise-on-contraception-rule/2012/02/06/gIQAlUwrwQ_story.html"]sparked fierce criticism[/url] from religious groups., particularly the Catholic Church, who say the policy will require them to violate their own beliefs. Republicans have used the controversy to attack the White House, with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) [url="http://www.speaker.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=278749"]vowing Wednesday[/url] that the new policy “will not stand.”
Kaine, the likely Democratic nominee in the contest to succeed retiring Sen. James Webb (D), was Obama’s choice to lead the Democratic National Committee, and Kaine has generally agreed with the administration on most policy issues. Former governor George Allen, the frontrunner for the Republican Senate nomination, has sought repeatedly to use that fact against Kaine.
But in a radio interview recorded Tuesday for the “HearSay with Cathy Lewis” program on [url="http://www.whro.org/home/publicradio/whrv/"]WHRV[/url] in Hampton Roads, Kaine made clear he disagreed with forcing religious institutions to pay for birth control.
“I think the White House made a good decision in including a mandate for contraception coverage in the Affordable Care Act insurance policy, but I think they made a bad decision in not allowing a broad enough religious employer exemption,” Kaine said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by his campaign.
“This is something that’s been talked about a lot today and I have definitely expressed my grave concerns to the White House about that. I support the contraception mandate but there should be a religious employer exemption that is broader than the one they proposed.”
Kaine, who is Catholic, has spoken frequently about the importance of faith throughout his career. He has cited it in discussing his opposition to the death penalty and his [url="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/07/kaine-keep-roe/"]position on abortion[/url]. Kaine says he is personally opposed to abortion and has supported some restrictions, but he does not believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
Allen, meanwhile, is a strong critic of the Obama policy, [url="http://www.georgeallen.com/2012/02/obama-administrations-unprecedented-mandate/"]saying last week[/url] that it was “an abhorrent overreach that violates the very liberty and religious freedom that our country was founded on. By ruling that Catholic organizations will be mandated to provide services that are contrary to their religious beliefs, this action places practicing Catholics, who have a conflict of conscience, in a position where their job, education or health care will suffer.”
In 1997, when Allen was governor, he signed [url="http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?ses=971&typ=bil&val=hb1233"]a state law[/url] requiring insurance companies that provide prescription drug coverage to offer plans that cover contraception. But private employers in the state [url="http://ppav.org/images/Contra_Eq_Fact_Sheet.pdf"]are not required[/url] to buy such plans for their employees.
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[Maximilianus]

Dr. Edward Peters

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Nancy Pelosi deserves to be taken seriously. Very seriously.
February 7, 2012

In March 2010, I expressed the view that Nancy Pelosi’s protracted and public anti-life conduct, which she repeatedly justifies with (twisted takes on) the Catholic faith, sufficed, in my view, to bring about her debarment from the reception of holy Communion under Canon 915. If Pelosi’s “prolonged public conduct does not qualify as obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin,” I wrote two years ago, “then, in all sincerity, I must admit to not knowing what would constitute obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin.”

It’s now February of 2012, and nothing in Pelosi’s conduct over the last 23 months suggests any emendation of her attitudes toward killing unborn babies, etc., etc., etc. Indeed her recent call for Catholics qua Catholics to unite behind, of all things!, President Obama’s plan to impose immoral policies on private medical insurance plans—which call provoked this moving cri de coeur from Fr. Zuhlsdorf—suggests that Pelosi’s views, like Pharaoh’s heart, have only hardened with time.

Canon 915, as I and others have explained many times, is not about impositions on individual conscience, it’s about public consequences for public behavior. It’s about taking people at their word and acknowledging the character of their actions. It’s about not pretending that people don’t really mean what they repeatedly say and what they repeatedly do.

Nancy Pelosi obviously means exactly what she says, and she regularly backs up her words with deeds. She deserves to be taken seriously. Very seriously.

As a canon lawyer, my view is that Nancy Pelosi deserves to be deprived of holy Communion as the just consequence of her public actions; as her fellow Catholic, my view is that Nancy Pelosi deserves to be deprived of holy Communion to bring home to her and to the wider faith community the gravity of her conduct and the need to avoid such conduct altogether or, that failing, at least to repent of it. Quickly.

[b]Update, 8 feb 2012:[/b] HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, a major proponent of the Obama administration’s push to mandate contraceptive coverage regardless of religious conviction, is already barred from holy Communion as a result of her pro-abortion activities while governor of Kansas. Bishops in the Washington DC area declared their intention to honor Bp. Naumann’s 2008 directive, and I’ve not heard of any change in the situation. In other words, no reasonably well-informed Catholic believes that, in conducting herself as she does, Sebelius is acting as a Catholic entrusted with high public office ought to act. Thus, the scandal that Sebelius gives is significantly reduced.The same cannot be said of Pelosi.


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source: [url="http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/nancy-pelosi-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously-very-seriously/"]http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/nancy-pelosi-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously-very-seriously/[/url]

[Lil Red]

thanks Max.