Why Isnt Nancy Pelosi Excommunicated ?

[Guest]

To hell with her.

Edited February 6, 2012 by Guest

[Selah]

May God have mercy upon her soul and bring her to repentance.

[Nihil Obstat]

There's an essentially airtight case to be made that she's excommunicated herself already, and if I'm not mistaken her bishop has stated publicly that she is not to receive communion. Actually I'm wrong about that, that was Sebelius.
Anyway, I do agree that it would be amesome if the bishops of the US sat down and put together a list of all the 'Catholic' politicians who are supporting this bull, then excommunicated all of them.
I also advocate bringing back the solemn anathematization to do so, because that would be downright epic.

NewAdvent:


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[Papist]

I want to know how she calls her self a devout Catholic while clearly living in opposition to Church teachings. The sad thing is that there plenty more politicians just like her.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1328559312' post='2382499']
There's an essentially airtight case to be made that she's excommunicated herself already, and if I'm not mistaken her bishop has stated publicly that she is not to receive communion. [color=#0000ff]Actually I'm wrong about that, that was Sebelius.[/color][/quote]How much do you want to bet that this is the real reason that the US HHS is attacking religious liberty versus merely pushing contraception?

Edited out my poor grammar...

Edited February 6, 2012 by qfnol31

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1328559465' post='2382503']
How much do you want to bet that this is the real reason that the US HHS is attacking religious liberty versus merely pushing contraception?

Edited out my poor grammar...
[/quote]

What, that Sebellius has a beef with the Church? I don't quite understand the question.

[Papist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1328559312' post='2382499']
I also advocate bringing back the solemn anathematization to do so, because that would be downright epic.
[/quote]

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1328559359' post='2382501']
I want to know how she calls her self a devout Catholic while clearly living in opposition to Church teachings. The sad thing is that there plenty more [s]politicians [/s] people just like her.
[/quote]
fxd.
Not a problem unique to politicians.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1328559710' post='2382509']
What, that Sebellius has a beef with the Church? I don't quite understand the question.
[/quote]Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole HHS business is a personal vendetta against the bishops and Church in the States.

[Guest]

Nihil Obstat thanks for posting that. So correct me if I'm wrong. The person who is excommunicated still has hope their soul will be saved on judgement day? Did I read that right ? What does it mean the body is delivered to satan ?

Edited February 6, 2012 by Guest

[Papist]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1328559819' post='2382516']
fxd.
Not a problem unique to politicians.
[/quote]

Of course, but the thread topic is a politician. I was staying on that.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1328559933' post='2382519']
Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole HHS business is a personal vendetta against the bishops and Church in the States.
[/quote]

Hm...... Honestly, I'm not sure Sebelius gives a beaver dam either way. IMO she just literally doesn't care what any bishop says.
Although I think on a broader scale the current administration has a sort of vendetta against the Church. Just a kind of antipathy towards the Catholic bishops and more orthodox organizations because of our moral consistency and willingness to criticize the regime.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1328559936' post='2382520']
Nihil Obstat thanks for posting that. So correct me if I'm wrong. The person who is excommunicated still has hope their soul will be saved on judgement day? Did I read that right ? What does it mean the body is delivered to satan ?
[/quote]
You're welcome.
The idea is that if they die excommunicated, they are outside of the mantle of the Church, and therefore dam[color=#000000]n[/color]ed. However, the purpose of the excommunication is that they are given a wake up call to penance and convinced to return to the Church. It's a kick in the pantaloons telling them to repent because they're on the road to hell. Besides that it's also kind of damage control because it doesn't allow any public scandal caused by a "Catholic" holding anti-Catholic positions or doing anti-Catholic things. Ultimately it's for the good of the soul of the excommunicated, as well as for the guidance of the rest of the Church.
For the excommunicant, "You are wrong, you must do penance or you will perish."
For the faithful, "(S)He is wrong, don't let him/her deceive you. This is what happens if you follow him/her."

I believe the part about their body being delivered to Satan is a recognition of the resurrection of the body. If they die excommunicated they are taken body and soul by Satan, their soul immediately, and their body on the day of the eschaton. I may be slightly fuzzy on the details there, so if anyone can clarify that would be neat.

[Guest]

Ok razzle dazzle. In that text you provided it says we deliver his body to satan so that his soul can be saved on the day of judgement. So it sounds like someone who is excommunicated could die and still have hope of getting into heaven. That doesn't make sense though.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1328561870' post='2382547']
Ok razzle dazzle. In that text you provided it says we deliver his body to satan so that his soul can be saved on the day of judgement. So it sounds like someone who is excommunicated could die and still have hope of getting into heaven. That doesn't make sense though.
[/quote]

Yeah, not quite. In theory (i.e. without any extenuating circumstances) the person who dies excommunicated is damned. I think the idea is something along the lines of "we cast him out now so that he repents later."

[Guest]

Gotcha. So has anyone died while excommuincated in the past ? Cause we would know 100 percent for sure these people are in hell then right ?