4588686 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 [quote name='GregorMendel' timestamp='1328301257' post='2380500'] A Thousand Props for Hasan, You Go Hasan! [/quote] I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiment, but the post she was quoting was written by LD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1328275622' post='2380237'] i hate that the church has two sides: the left and the right... Catholics are supposed to be neither left nor right, but balanced in the middle... [/quote] For the purpose of discourse with others about America's situation I find it necessary to describe myself as being conservative, due to many of the values that are associated with conservatism in this society. But you are right in that we should not let a party define our beliefs. We should be Catholic first and foremost, and sometimes that will match up to one party in a society, and sometimes the other. (Sometimes both or neither.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregorMendel Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]I think Jon Huntsman said it best: [/font][/size] [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#171717][left]“The minute that the Republican Party becomes the party – the anti-science party, we have a huge problem. We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012. (...) [/left][/color][color=#171717][left]When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said, what the National Academy of Sciences has said about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it. I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position"[/left][/color][/font][/size] [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#171717][left] - Jon Huntsman[/left][/color][/font][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1328237677' post='2379962'] 12 huge hots dog and 12 large sodas!!!! [/quote] You forgot the free re-fill on each soda . So it's actually 12 huge hot dogs and 12 large sodas with 1 refill each! For breakfast you can get the lipton iced tea, for lunch the pepsi, and for dinner the root beer (caffeine free!) ASsuming no sales tax tho.. then you'd be over your $18 limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hubertus' timestamp='1328302285' post='2380516'] For the purpose of discourse with others about America's situation I find it necessary to describe myself as being conservative, due to many of the values that are associated with conservatism in this society. But you are right in that we should not let a party define our beliefs. We should be Catholic first and foremost, and sometimes that will match up to one party in a society, and sometimes the other. (Sometimes both or neither.) [/quote] Good post. I'm strongly conservative in my beliefs and principles, and I'm an orthodox Catholic. I believe social and political beliefs commonly considered "conservative" in this country best align with Christian morality, prudence, and right reason. I think the so-called "leadership" of both major political parties has largely gone down the crapper, and most would consider most of my own beliefs well to the "right" of both. That said, the political policy opinions of the USCCB are certainly not infallible, as the USCCB does not define dogma. The Church is only infallible when the Pope along with the bishops in union with him are teaching on matters of faith and morals. The Church (much less local bishops conferences) are not infallible in matters of politics, science etc. For instance, I believe the USCCB is dead wrong regarding immigration policy. There's definitely nothing in Catholic teaching which dictates that Catholics must always take a "middle of the road" stance between the political Left and Right. Such a position would be nonsensical anyway, as what is considered "left" and "right" changes with time (for instance, many positions that are considered "ultra-conservative" or "hard right," today, would be considered middle-of-the-road, or even moderately liberal 50-60 years ago), and these terms can mean different things in different parts of the world. The Church's unchanging, infallible moral teachings on abortion, contraception, marriage, and human sexuality in general are generally seen as "hard right" or "extreme conservative" in today's sexually-hedonistic age. Regarding the thread's topic, I think this does smell somewhat of the political correctness the USCCB has become known for, but there's certainly no harm in praying, whatever one's own beliefs are regarding climate change. The bickering on this thread looks to me like much ado about nothing. Edited February 4, 2012 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 [quote name='GregorMendel' timestamp='1328309396' post='2380579'] [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]I think Jon Huntsman said it best: [/font][/size] [left]“The minute that the Republican Party becomes the party – the anti-science party, we have a huge problem. We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012. (...)[/left] [left][color=#171717]When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said, what the National Academy of Sciences has said about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it. I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position"[/color][/left] [left][size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#171717] - Jon Huntsman[/color][/font][/size][/left] [/quote] Jon Huntsman is a moron. And equating opposing statist policies with being "anti-science" (whatever the hell that even means), is moronic but pernicious propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1328386923' post='2380987'] Jon Huntsman is a moron. And equating opposing statist policies with being "anti-science" (whatever the hell that even means), is moronic but pernicious propaganda. [/quote] Hey now. Be charitable. Don't violate the "personal attacks" rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1328386923' post='2380987'] Jon Huntsman is a moron. And equating opposing statist policies with being "anti-science" (whatever the hell that even means), is moronic but pernicious propaganda. [/quote] The people he was speaking about are those who dream up hysterical conspiracy, or rather receive them from corporate funded think tanks, theories to deny that either global warming is even occurring, that mankind is the cause, or both. Not those who accept the science but still decide 'floopy it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1328237990' post='2379966']I may be wrong, although I'm not [/quote] This is going to be my new MO in life. [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1328386923' post='2380987'] Jon Huntsman is a moron. And equating opposing statist policies with being "anti-science" (whatever the hell that even means), is moronic but pernicious propaganda. [/quote] The Republican party is not statist anymore? News to me. Last I checked, our parties were Big State and Slightly Bigger State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 my two cents: I am not gonna lie; I was pretty disheartened just now when this thread got a facepalm... I don't care if you don't accept that climate change is caused by humans. I don't even care if you don't accept climate change at all, but scoffing a request for the USCCB to fast for people affected because the water in their region is gone (or will be soon).... really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1328394771' post='2381041'] The Republican party is not statist anymore? News to me. Last I checked, our parties were Big State and Slightly Bigger State. [/quote] That's not what I said. Plenty of high-profile Republican politicians have happily hopped on the whole global-warming cap-and-trade, "alternative energy" gravy train, including Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and (I believe) Mitt Romney. Jon Huntsman is a liberal Republican attacking those conservatives in the party who oppose big-government statist debacles done in the name of "saving the planet" (all of which hamper the economy, put a financial burden on the citizenry, particularly the poor, and by any reasoned analysis will have close to zero effect on actual global warming), as well as those who think choosing school text books and curriculum should be the province of the local school districts, rather than dictated by the federal government. "Science" in such rhetoric is a kind of secular religion which we're supposed to rally behind to support politically left-wing causes and the Big and Bigger State. Edited February 4, 2012 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Fight! Fight! Fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1328386740' post='2380985'] Good post. I'm strongly conservative in my beliefs and principles, and I'm an orthodox Catholic. I believe social and political beliefs commonly considered "conservative" in this country best align with Christian morality, prudence, and right reason. I think the so-called "leadership" of both major political parties has largely gone down the crapper, and most would consider most of my own beliefs well to the "right" of both. That said, the political policy opinions of the USCCB are certainly not infallible, as the USCCB does not define dogma. The Church is only infallible when the Pope along with the bishops in union with him are teaching on matters of faith and morals. The Church (much less local bishops conferences) are not infallible in matters of politics, science etc. For instance, I believe the USCCB is dead wrong regarding immigration policy. There's definitely nothing in Catholic teaching which dictates that Catholics must always take a "middle of the road" stance between the political Left and Right. Such a position would be nonsensical anyway, as what is considered "left" and "right" changes with time (for instance, many positions that are considered "ultra-conservative" or "hard right," today, would be considered middle-of-the-road, or even moderately liberal 50-60 years ago), and these terms can mean different things in different parts of the world. The Church's unchanging, infallible moral teachings on abortion, contraception, marriage, and human sexuality in general are generally seen as "hard right" or "extreme conservative" in today's sexually-hedonistic age. Regarding the thread's topic, I think this does smell somewhat of the political correctness the USCCB has become known for, but there's certainly no harm in praying, whatever one's own beliefs are regarding climate change. The bickering on this thread looks to me like much ado about nothing. [/quote] i respectfully disagree. The Church is CATHOLIC, not conservative, not liberal, not modernist, but plain and simply CATHOLIC... conservative does not = TRUTH liberal does not = TRUTH modernist does not = TRUTH The Catholic Church= TRUTH now, you can make an argument on whether or not the USCCB is being overrun by "political correctness" all you want... when I read the OP, I immediately thought about how we are stewards of this earth we live in, and God would certainly want us to be responsible with the care of the earth and the enviroment because it is a gift He gave us... ...AND for those who have suffered terribly because of drought conditions...its nice to think of those poor people once in a while... isn't it? I have to admit, I don't usually spend hours thinking of this issue... Texas went through the worst drought in its history and we're still not out of it yet. I live amongst farmers and ranch hands. They have suffered tremendously, and took a significant financial hit. This also made me think of other countries, especially third world countries where drought and famine are the norm...its hard to imagine what life is like for those poor people who don't have the comfort and the luxury we do in ours...it would be nice if for once we Catholics would see issues through the eyes of the LORD and not through the eyes of political ideologies that would cause us to act in ignorance to the least of our brothers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1328401150' post='2381080'] i respectfully disagree. The Church is CATHOLIC, not conservative, not liberal, not modernist, but plain and simply CATHOLIC... conservative does not = TRUTH liberal does not = TRUTH modernist does not = TRUTH The Catholic Church= TRUTH now, you can make an argument on whether or not the USCCB is being overrun by "political correctness" all you want... when I read the OP, I immediately thought about how we are stewards of this earth we live in, and God would certainly want us to be responsible with the care of the earth and the enviroment because it is a gift He gave us... ...AND for those who have suffered terribly because of drought conditions...its nice to think of those poor people once in a while... isn't it? I have to admit, I don't usually spend hours thinking of this issue... Texas went through the worst drought in its history and we're still not out of it yet. I live amongst farmers and ranch hands. They have suffered tremendously, and took a significant financial hit. This also made me think of other countries, especially third world countries where drought and famine are the norm...its hard to imagine what life is like for those poor people who don't have the comfort and the luxury we do in ours...it would be nice if for once we Catholics would see issues through the eyes of the LORD and not through the eyes of political ideologies that would cause us to act in ignorance to the least of our brothers... [/quote] Dominicansoul for ALL THE AWARDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1328221573' post='2379781'] i think for the HHS stuff, we're asked to pray, fast AND [i]flog[/i] [/quote] ..i forgot to add, AND stop voting for pro-abortion candidates...again, if only Catholics would see issues through the eyes of Christ... *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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