Any Other Women Who Wear Only Skirts?

[mme_hardy]

"[color=#282828]And for the record, when I say that men do not look at the clothes, I do speak for all men." Tom and Lorenzo of Project Rungay (now tomandlorenzo.com) would be very surprised to hear that.[/color]

[color=#282828]Back to the important issue: chub rub. I know a lot of women who recommend bike shorts. I really like BodyGlide (originally designed for bike riders; this is not a sexual product) which is comfortable wherever you have two bits of skin rubbing against each other. [/color][url="http://www.bodyglide.com/"]http://www.bodyglide.com/[/url] No, I don't work for the company or invest in it; I'm just grateful for the product.

[Carmelshrimp]

I can't believe we're still having conversations along the lines of "Men lusting after women is the woman's fault because she wears clothes that tempt". Nor can I take seriously the notion that the fact that my jeans say "Levis" on the back is going to make some otherwise innocent bloke commit the sin of lust because he might look at my backside when he reads it.. Why not go the whole hog with Tertullian and say women are the lowest of the low because a woman tempted the first man, so it was women's fault sin came into the world and therefore women were responsible for the death of Christ (yes he really did say that!). Surely the issue of modesty is one of self-respect for both sexes. My body is my business and I prefer not to conduct my private business in public so I keep it covered. Lust and how we deal with it is a matter of personal responsibility and it won't do to blame somebody else for our own lack of self-control. And I don't see how anybody can claim to respect women and then define them, not as individuals in their own right but as "another man's bride". Nobody has the right to look at my body because it's mine - not because it's my husband's!

[Annie12]

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I can't believe we're still having conversations along the lines of "Men lusting after women is the woman's fault because she wears clothes that tempt". Nor can I take seriously the notion that the fact that my jeans say "Levis" on the back is going to make some otherwise innocent bloke commit the sin of lust because he might look at my backside when he reads it.. Why not go the whole hog with Tertullian and say women are the lowest of the low because a woman tempted the first man, so it was women's fault sin came into the world and therefore women were responsible for the death of Christ (yes he really did say that!). Surely the issue of modesty is one of self-respect for both sexes. My body is my business and I prefer not to conduct my private business in public so I keep it covered. Lust and how we deal with it is a matter of personal responsibility and it won't do to blame somebody else for our own lack of self-control. And I don't see how anybody can claim to respect women and then define them, not as individuals in their own right but as "another man's bride". Nobody has the right to look at my body because it's mine - not because it's my husband's!
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I agree and since it is our personal responsibility to cover and control our selves, I think that when someone (no matter what sex) sees someone that is distracting because of their immodesty, I think that is where we have to make sure we not only save others the awkwardness of seeing something they don't want but it's also important to note that we have to respect our bodies and cover them accordingly. I don't want to be seen as a sexual object to be starred at and there are people with no morals out there who find it fun to stare at women who are not dressed modestly . I really think that if its too tight it should take a hike and if its too low (like in the neck line) it shouldn't show.

[Annie12]

And even the normal styles get women attention. If a woman looks trendy she may be labeled as 'hot". That implies that guys are staring at women in the wrong places but if women cover themselves, then that can be avoided.

[Archaeology cat]

Really, a woman can be cat-called, ogled, etc, whatever she's wearing. Pretty sure I remember such a thing happening to me when I was heavily pregnant, in late autumn, and definitely fully clothed. Now,this doesn't meanwe should just forget about modesty, for we shouldn't,but I don't think our motivation should be about how a man might react. Dress to respect yourself and glorify God, IMO.

[Carmelshrimp]

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Really, a woman can be cat-called, ogled, etc, whatever she's wearing. Pretty sure I remember such a thing happening to me when I was heavily pregnant, in late autumn, and definitely fully clothed. Now,this doesn't meanwe should just forget about modesty, for we shouldn't,but I don't think our motivation should be about how a man might react. Dress to respect yourself and glorify God, IMO.
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I couldn't agree more. However we dress we're seen as sexual objects and we'd never leave the house if we had to analyse every potential outfit for lust factor (just think of all the jibes about Muslim women and how some people like to speculate about how they look under their clothes). All of us - male and female - have to treat ourselves and each other with respect. We also have to take responsibility for our own thoughts and actions. It won't do to blame somebody we're lusting after for our own self-indulgence and lack of self-control. "The woman tempted me and I ate" is a worn-out excuse - and it wasn't that hot the first time round.