Free 4-Year College Tuition At This College....

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1327859528' post='2377007']
In fairness, the history of the school goes back a long ways. It would be more accurate to say they are reopening it.
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Oh, true. I missed that part.

[HopefulBride]

meh. No online program.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1327855256' post='2376970']


Oooh this is something I just love talking about. What you said is, in my opinion, simply not true. Please note:


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The articles you link to admit that the liberal arts group has lower employment than their peers, whch means arfink is correct. The article goes on to suggest that 20 years down the line a liberal arts degree 'might' outperform its competition. Of course it doesnt back this up with stats, because its bologna of the finest quality. If anyone is interested in the facts, a Google search will quickly reveal the employment rate, beginning, median salaries and a host of actual statistics instead of speculation.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1327865653' post='2377056']
The articles you link to admit that the liberal arts group has lower employment than their peers, whch means arfink is correct. The article goes on to suggest that 20 years down the line a liberal arts degree 'might' outperform its competition. Of course it doesnt back this up with stats, because its bologna of the finest quality. If anyone is interested in the facts, a Google search will quickly reveal the employment rate, beginning, median salaries and a host of actual statistics instead of speculation.
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Wow, this topic aside, your attitude is very condescending!

[Basilisa Marie]

Look, there might be more jobs opening in Computer Science fields than there are in Teaching (the two largest fields for technical/humanities jobs, respectively). I'm not saying that humanities people make more money, either (HA! If only.) But that doesn't mean that a liberal arts degree WONT get you hired out of college, which was the original issue (in this giant tangent about the worthiness of a liberal education - sorry, JoyfulLife!) Let's consult College Board.

[url="http://www.collegeboard.com/student/csearch/majors_careers/236.html"]http://www.collegeboard.com/student/csearch/majors_careers/236.html[/url]
[url="http://www.collegeboard.com/student/csearch/majors_careers/237.html"]http://www.collegeboard.com/student/csearch/majors_careers/237.html[/url]

My point is that a liberal arts degree isn't going to hurt your chances of getting a job so you can support yourself. If someone was an English major and ONLY took English classes, then yeah, that person would have a much lower chance of getting a job. But students from liberal arts colleges have a more well-rounded education, and employers looking for critical thinking skills and good communication abilities are likely to look favorably on a student with those skills, because that's what a liberal education gives a student.

[Totus Tuus]

Edit to the above post: OK, I had to take a few minutes to go back over everything I posted and read this morning (yes, I did read it and find it to be credible information [i]before[/i] I posted it ). This article [url="http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/01/27/what-is-liberal-arts-degree-worth-these-days/"]http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/01/27/what-is-liberal-arts-degree-worth-these-days/[/url] must be the one you're referring to? You pluralized the word "articles" so if there is another one that indicates anything about employment rates and liberal arts to back up what you said, you'll have to point it out to me because I'm not seeing it. There is a 0.9% lower employment rate, according to that article, among liberal arts majors than among those who graduated with technical degrees. Please note that I never advocated that someone who wanted to be a doctor or teacher should pursue a liberal arts degree-- technical degrees are quite obviously needed. But should someone sacrifice what they love doing to have a mere 0.9% higher employment rate? Not if you ask me. Furthermore, all this article shows in favor of what arfink said is that liberal arts graduates have a less than one percent lower chance of landing a job right out of college than those with technical degrees (if even that can be gleaned from what the article said), so yes, I still do disagree with arfink.

Secondly, what is your basis of saying that the statement you mentioned is bologna? With all due respect, if you don't back up your statements with facts, you are no more credible than what you are criticizing. Where is the research that shows that liberal arts majors do NOT outperform its competition? You need to share that if you're going to accuse a statement of being untrue.

Finally, A "Google search" quickly "revealed" the information I was looking up, most of which in all four articles was backed up by a survey or study, and many points were backed by credible employers. Perhaps this entire topic is more a matter of opinion than debate, but if you can show me some more credible research in favor of your opinion that what I showed you, It would give you more credibility.

[ardillacid]

"Arum also cautions that the study doesn't speak to whether high-scoring graduates picked up their skills while in college. It follows up on research last year showing that 36% of college graduates showed few or no gains in learning between their freshman and senior years."

"According to a study by Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, unemployment is generally higher among those with degrees in non-technical fields;"

Large amounts of text editing on my phone is difficult, but here are two good quotes from the first two articles.
The third and fourth articles speculate that one could get all these listed jobs, but who do you think has a better chance of getting an entry level stock broker job, a candidate with an economics degree or one with a humanities?

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1327874976' post='2377148']
"Arum also cautions that the study doesn't speak to whether high-scoring graduates picked up their skills while in college. It follows up on research last year showing that 36% of college graduates showed few or no gains in learning between their freshman and senior years."

"According to a study by Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, unemployment is generally higher among those with degrees in non-technical fields;"

Large amounts of text editing on my phone is difficult, but here are two good quotes from the first two articles.
The third and fourth articles speculate that one could get all these listed jobs, but who do you think has a better chance of getting an entry level stock broker job, a candidate with an economics degree or one with a humanities?
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I did see the second one in my initial reading. So that's one. But I have a hard time understanding the relevance of the first. Not discrediting it -- I am just not seeing what it has to do with the topic we're discussing, or maybe just not seeing how it defends your position, since the same could be said about graduates of anywhere, probably.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1327871837' post='2377126']
Wow, this topic aside, your attitude is very condescending!
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i guess i don't "hear" that in his post.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1327877316' post='2377181']


i guess i don't "hear" that in his post.
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[arfink]

You guys can just assume I'll be a little bitter about this. I took a big gamble going to a Catholic seminary and spending my one shot at a college education, and when I had to leave seminary I was left with a degree I can't really use, as well as debt. I don't have a viable plan now, since I don't know how I'll afford going back to school again.

Finding a job through my friends and family went about as far as the grocery store I'm at now. I'm technically employed, but part time with an hourly wage of $7.50. (Which you'll notice is minimum wage.)

So yeah, if you hear me hatin' on the college experience these days, now you know why.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='arfink' timestamp='1327878967' post='2377196']
You guys can just assume I'll be a little bitter about this. I took a big gamble going to a Catholic seminary and spending my one shot at a college education, and when I had to leave seminary I was left with a degree I can't really use, as well as debt. I don't have a viable plan now, since I don't know how I'll afford going back to school again.

Finding a job through my friends and family went about as far as the grocery store I'm at now. I'm technically employed, but part time with an hourly wage of $7.50. (Which you'll notice is minimum wage.)

So yeah, if you hear me hatin' on the college experience these days, now you know why.
[/quote]my brother will be attending minor seminary next year. They make them major in philosophy. I'm trying to get him to double major so if seminary doesn't pan out then he won't have 100 grand in debt with no feasible way to pay it off.

[arfink]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1327880537' post='2377210']
my brother will be attending minor seminary next year. They make them major in philosophy. I'm trying to get him to double major so if seminary doesn't pan out then he won't have 100 grand in debt with no feasible way to pay it off.
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Please do that. You will do him a great service whether he becomes a priest or not.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='arfink' timestamp='1327878967' post='2377196']
You guys can just assume I'll be a little bitter about this. I took a big gamble going to a Catholic seminary and spending my one shot at a college education, and when I had to leave seminary I was left with a degree I can't really use, as well as debt. I don't have a viable plan now, since I don't know how I'll afford going back to school again.

Finding a job through my friends and family went about as far as the grocery store I'm at now. I'm technically employed, but part time with an hourly wage of $7.50. (Which you'll notice is minimum wage.)

So yeah, if you hear me hatin' on the college experience these days, now you know why.
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Well, given what I've read (which could be wrong) you don't have a much different chance of being unemployed right now than a person who graduated with any other degree, I can see your frustration, but I think a lot of people in your situation are probably there more because of the economy than because of their major. But I know how much it smells of elderberries to hate your job so I'll say a prayer that you find something.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1327877316' post='2377181']
i guess i don't "hear" that in his post.
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I felt that way for the reasons I mentioned in my next post after that, mostly because what I posted was called "bologna" with no backup, which I find a bit insulting. But maybe that's just me.