Byzantine Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Okay I read about this a while ago. Long story short: Someone saw St Francis of Assisi and St. Seraphim of Saarov and St. Francis said the True Church was where St. Seraphim was (i.e. the Orthodox Church). [size=8]HUH?[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Who did the observing and relating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) [size=4][sup]Hmmm..... I have seen pictures of St. Francis; I have seen representations of the Holy (St.) Seraphim.... I have even seen pictures of St. Francis and the Holy (St.) Seraphim together (St F. receiving the Stigmata).... but none of him with St. Seraphim of Saarov... and I have never heard of this vision. [/sup][/size] [size=4][sup]Could it be two stories that have been merged?[/sup][/size] [size=4][sup](once again my fonts have decided to go 'humble' and print smalll... theoretically this is a 14. Sorry if it is hard to read. Wonder what this is?[/sup][/size] Edited January 28, 2012 by AnneLine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope&memory Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 http://simplyorthodox.tumblr.com/post/14969809188 Sounds like they are reaching a little to me. Some protestant lady went to sleep in her garden and had a vision. Ooooo. And who says the True Church isn't where Saint Seraphim is? We are all one. We just happen to be divided right now because of pride and stubbornness. And if we continue to propagate stories about how people are having visions of how one Church is more True than the other Church, we will continue to be divided. That need to be "right" (and to be validated in it) is the thing that keeps us divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 This actually made me worried.. I don't know what to think the Orthodox argument here is that this lady did not even know of St Seraphim at the time... the Catholic argument would be that there are private revelations and miraculous conversions that seem to point to Catholicism too. Both churches are Apostolic, but the Papacy is either true or not.. I don't understand why both have these sorts of private revelations. Does anyone have any ideas? I've thought of this before, not just from this thread, and it makes me worried especially because my family is Orthodox and I am Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I see there are other private revelations that strongly support Catholicism.. for example, this one is a prophesy about Pope Pius IX, and it came true exactly. [url="http://www.americaneedsfatima.org/About-Our-Lady/our-ladys-prophecies-for-our-times.html"]http://www.americaneedsfatima.org/About-Our-Lady/our-ladys-prophecies-for-our-times.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There are private revelations to support anything you want to believe. You got a lot of hurdles to jump with any of these: 1) Is the revelation true? If you're skeptical, so is your Mother. 2) If true, is it interpreted correctly? We mortals tend to misinterpret things, especially when God speaks directly to us in black-and-white language on no uncertain terms. 3) If true and interpreted correctly, does the Church approve of it? If so, you are free to disregard it. Or not. Let's say it is true. Maybe St. Francis means the Orthodox parish is the "true Church" because they acting like Christians in some local skurmish. Or maybe the Orthodox Church is the true Church, just like he said. Maybe nobody has reported that St. Seraphim is also pointing to the Catholic church saying the same thing. Perhaps our saints are simply engaging in some heavenly ecumenical dialogue. Whatever it is, it seems that both saints are getting along quite happily in the vision and let's not forget they are both [i]saints[/i]. So maybe we can seek to live like them and let God take care of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJJD Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Considering both have valid sacraments and apostolic tradition, neither one is 'better' (in terms of grace) but that also means that neither is wrong (since both have those things). However, that all said, I believe the Roman church is the correct one. But I'm not an expert on both churches to lay a case. You'd probably have to look into history to see where, why the split between roman and eastern was, and why/how that hasn't healed over time. [url="http://www.catholic.com/tracts/eastern-orthodoxy"]http://www.catholic.com/tracts/eastern-orthodoxy[/url]. You'd probably have to look up something on the eastern orthodox perspective on the papacy to see what they believe about it too and what their take on all that is, and also what the roman church teaches on the papacy-like its role, how it came about, etc. The other one, is to look into the theology of both which has been much more blessed with the Holy spirits guidance of each church and so should be given more weight, rather than private revelations. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Byzantine' timestamp='1327711368' post='2376381'] Okay I read about this a while ago. Long story short: Someone saw St Francis of Assisi and St. Seraphim of Saarov and St. Francis said the True Church was where St. Seraphim was (i.e. the Orthodox Church). [size=8]HUH?[/size] [/quote] Oh, I remember this story. I can't remember who saw it though. Don't pay it any mind; St. Seraphim and St. Francis are both holy saints (some Orthodox Christians hate St. Francis, but whatever). Private revelations are just that. Edited February 1, 2012 by Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dscherck Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 St. Seraphim of Sarov (aka, the dude in my profile pic) IS a recognized saint in the Catholic Church. Specifically he is venerated in the Russian Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I didn't know that. I know the Eastern Catholics love him. He was such a humble man, his story always makes me cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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