Invest In Turning Deserts Green As Alternative Response To Climate Cha

[Dennis Tate]

There is a biologist in New Mexico named Carl Cantrell who advocates that we can directly combat climate change by initiating a massive program of desalination of ocean water and pumping it to the ridges in North Africa so that we turn more of the Sahara Desert green.

His theory makes a lot of sense.

1. China has had great success at turning deserts areas green by planting and irrigating some species of bamboo. Bamboo often grows a root system for five years before beginning to shoot up above ground at an astounding rate. Obviously lots of vegetation or trees or bamboo in North Africa will create a significant CARBON SINK.

2. Biologist Cantrell has stated that the bulk of the heat going into the atmosphere is coming from the world's top five deserts. He stated that satellite images in infrared show that the deserts radiate far more heat into the atmosphere than our cities do. His idea is that by turning deserts green we would directly reduce the amount of heat going into the atmosphere. I believe that he is correct in this assertion.

3. It is theoreticallly possible to pump salt water to a large aquaculture facility on or near a ridge in North Africa, produce fish through aquaculture, then desalinate the salt water by solar energy. Every cubic meter of H2O added to the water table of North Africa or the Middle East will NOT be ON TOP OF Holland, or the State of Florida or the city of New Orleans in the event that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet were to collapse!

4. There are one billion hungry people on this earth. If monetary policy is altered so that they could purchase fish or food grown in the world's desert areas, then if a billion hungry people were to purchase a thousand dollars worth of groceries, this would mean that ONE TRILLION dollars had just been directed into combating climate change!

[Dennis Tate]

If you do a search for the Sahara Solar Breeder Project and for the Sahara Forest Project you will run into some extremely interesting projects that relate directly to this!

[ardillacid]

This project is not feasible

[Dennis Tate]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1327595916' post='2375718']
This project is not feasible
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It will be extremely expensive but if you do a search to find out exactly how much ocean levels might rise if the land based Greenland Ice Pack or the West Antarctic Ice Sheet were to begin a rapid collapse it could be one of the only possible ways to divert an equivalent amount of H2O out of the oceans and into the water table of North Africa and the Middle East.

[Papist]

[quote name='Dennis Tate' timestamp='1327584920' post='2375654']
There is a biologist in New Mexico named Carl Cantrell who advocates that we can directly combat climate change by initiating a massive program of desalination of ocean water and pumping it to the ridges in North Africa so that we turn more of the Sahara Desert green.
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Sounds perfect plot for a Tommy Lee Jones movie.

[Ed Normile]

Dennis, I think there are still some oppurtunties floating around out there to buy the Brooklyn Bridge, with all that traffic think of the money you could make charging a toll!

It never ceases to amaze me that any christian who beleives in a God who created a world and sent his Son to be born of a virgin, die, and then rise from the dead to redeem our sins could somehow have been so shortsighted to put anything on His creation that could alter it enough to harm it.

I remember reading about climatic cycles as a child in catholic schools, things that affect the weather such as sun spikes or solar flares, volcanic eruptions such as Pompei that cooled the planet for decades. I also remember back in the 70's when the alarmists were touting man made global cooling and the coming ice age we would all have to suffer through due to mans pollution machines. The difference back in the 70's was that we had a more sensible elder generation to ease the minds of the impressionable youth and the potheads of that era, sadly these days the greatest generation is either gone or too old and tired to provide guidance and now the potheads and liberals are entrenched in academia teaching the youth what to think , instead of teaching them how to think.

ed

[BigJon16]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327599393' post='2375734']
Sounds perfect plot for a Tommy Lee Jones movie.
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[CatherineM]

I believe that there will be water wars in the future that will make the oil wars look like powderpuff football games. I believe in desal for water. We have the technology. The biggest problem is getting rid of the brine left over. I think we could ship the brine to the North Atlantic to help rebalance the salinity that is being lost due to melting sea ice. Reclaiming desert is a whole different ballgame. I'd prefer we use our technology to stop making new desert first.

[Dennis Tate]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327599393' post='2375734']
Sounds perfect plot for a Tommy Lee Jones movie.
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I love it!!!!

Maybe we could talk Tommy Lee Jones into printing up about 28 billion Tommy Lee Jones Dollars, similar to the idea of CalgaryDollars.ca/ and perhaps he would compete with Mr. Bill Gates to address all kinds of nasty modern world problems?!

Tommy Lee Jones Dollars would almost immediately be more stable than probably 100 or more of the world's national currency units!

It would cost in the range of two cents to print up a fifty Tommy Lee Jones dollar bill if they were done in sufficient volume!

The film Polar Explorer has me even more worried than ever about the threat of rising ocean levels!

http://www.polarexplorerfilm.com/

[Dennis Tate]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1327687667' post='2376230']
I believe that there will be water wars in the future that will make the oil wars look like powderpuff football games. I believe in desal for water. We have the technology. The biggest problem is getting rid of the brine left over. I think we could ship the brine to the North Atlantic to help rebalance the salinity that is being lost due to melting sea ice. Reclaiming desert is a whole different ballgame. I'd prefer we use our technology to stop making new desert first.
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Phenomenal response Catherine!

Yes, the number one most logical step would be to stop the cutting down of the Amazon Rain Forest!!!

Yes, the theory has been tossed around about using the salt to rebalance salinity levels in certain parts of the ocean because all that ice that collapses off Greenland and floats into the north Atlantic Ocean is fresh water!

If Tommy Lee Jones printed up 28 billion Tommy Lee Jones Dollars and put in an offer to purchase the salt that is a by product of either the Sahara Forest Project or the Sahara Solar Breeder Project...both of these projects might be vastly more efficient from an economic point of view. Perhaps he could sell it to my province, Nova Scotia because we dump it on the roads so that the probability of my sliding into the ditch is decreased during a snow or ice storm!

[url="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/huge-chunk-ice-breaks-off-greenland-glacier-151516535.html"]http://news.yahoo.co...-151516535.html[/url]

[b] Huge chunk of ice breaks off Greenland glacier[/b]

Edited January 28, 2012 by Dennis Tate

[Dennis Tate]

Have you ever asked yourself why we have not already seen significant ocean level rise considering how much melting is occurring on the land based Greenland Ice Pack?

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Edited January 28, 2012 by Dennis Tate

[Dennis Tate]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1327686056' post='2376214']
Dennis, I think there are still some oppurtunties floating around out there to buy the Brooklyn Bridge, with all that traffic think of the money you could make charging a toll!

It never ceases to amaze me that any christian who beleives in a God who created a world and sent his Son to be born of a virgin, die, and then rise from the dead to redeem our sins could somehow have been so shortsighted to put anything on His creation that could alter it enough to harm it.

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ed
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Ed, what do you think about the statement in the Bible something to the effect of...I will destroy those who destroy the earth?

As far as the Brooklyn Bridge goes I think that I will wait a bit because right around the time that there is real danger of the Manhattan Island subway system being filled with salt water I figure that the price will drop down to a record low!

[Dennis Tate]

Roughly one hundred million people in Bangladesh will become climate change refugees if ocean levels raise merely ONE METER!

[4588686]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1327686056' post='2376214']

It never ceases to amaze me that any christian who beleives in a God who created a world and sent his Son to be born of a virgin, die, and then rise from the dead to redeem our sins could somehow have been so shortsighted to put anything on His creation that could alter it enough to harm it.[/QUOTE]

Huh. So I guess you don't believe in nuclear weapons. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE]I remember reading about climatic cycles as a child in catholic schools, things that affect the weather such as sun spikes or solar flares, volcanic eruptions such as Pompei that cooled the planet for decades. I also remember back in the 70's when the alarmists were touting man made global cooling and the coming ice age we would all have to suffer through due to mans pollution machines. The difference back in the 70's was that we had a more sensible elder generation to ease the minds of the impressionable youth and the potheads of that era, sadly these days the greatest generation is either gone or too old and tired to provide guidance and now the potheads and liberals are entrenched in academia teaching the youth what to think , instead of teaching them how to think.

ed
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Clearly they didn't do a much better job with you either. See above. Anyway, the global cooling thing was a media run scare that never nearly the scientific basis and consensus as global warming.

[4588686]

[quote name='Dennis Tate' timestamp='1328374333' post='2380870']
Roughly one hundred million people in Bangladesh will become climate change refugees if ocean levels raise merely ONE METER!
[/quote]

Yep. It's going to be rough. Too bad we're not going to stop it because the baby-boomer generation was and continues to be chronically irresponsible.