Please Help Me Explain Or Refrain.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

pax domine sit semper vobiscum bretheren,sympathiesers and others... (this next paragraph is going to me kinda like bits and pieces of broken pottery that needs to be put back together into a mosaic, and i'm sure many pieces are missing coz i'm kinda speak without to much thought sometimes.Please help me explain myself if anyone gets one iota of what i'm trying to say,oh also this is from the chat room originally.)

i would like all the other denominations to respect the holy roman catholic church as an elder and the non denoms too. But the word holy shirks them but we need to understand that she is mad holy not through her own actions but by the actions of the holy spirit,coz like we let jesus in our heart and jesus asks the father to send the spirit and the spirit comes to us and reveals all truth[list]
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as a body and individuals
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and somone told me outside of the church there the walking dead, and this makes me angry because surely faith without works is dead and this is the only category i can see saying that anyone is the walking dead
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jesus never says this
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he says those whom partake of his flesh and blood will have life to the full
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not that other baptised believers will have no life
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but also understanding the chatechism says we need not look outside of the church for salvation, T.V. inclusive as an example
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but this doesn't stop our evangelical mission to the world
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just as i can watch t.v. and kinda ignore it completely
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though i can't do that just as an example
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though i can't personaly do that, just as an example, i'm sure some can. Though i can talk to other baptised believers about biblical and catholic stuff
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holy roman catholic stuff
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while still respecting that they are saved through baptism and believing(which i feel believe means to believe god is all good and can do no evil.)
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and possibly have some fragments of the truth, though i need not look for these in them but in the holy roman catholic church
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does any of this make sense, i'm kinda stupid at pervaying my message
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maybe pervay is not the word, to put what i feel and think to words
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God bless you all.
P.s. i think some of it is missing so this was probably useless post and i need to think on the matter more and get it out on a thread.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

aha just though of a missing piece, for example marriage is sacrementally catholic, we can talk to them about that. And the holy word is catholic too, we can talk to them about that, JEsus said "be baptised and believe and you will be saved." so we know there saved, they may not have the fullness of truth but surely some ,thought he chatechism states as catholics we need not look outside the church for the truth because it is contained in her in it's fullness. But surely there evangelical and other works of charity are not dead if there baptised in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit and they also believe(whatever that is.) Which leads be to say lets get the ball rolling, Please include in your dialogue that which is to you that is to believe ight. Good Good Also another thought, are there marriages valid ?

Edited January 20, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Guest William Plaster]

I'm not sure that I am qualified to post here, but since the post requires approval, I will let the moderator decide.

Marriage as in standing before God, and community, with a spiritual mediator is Catholic, yes. However, most (all?) governements around the world have used the term with various defintions. The marriages are, of course, valid because they do not refer to marriage as you are defining it here. Sadly, this seems to be an argument of semantics. Maybe government marriages should be called something else, like partnerships, but I'm not the president of anywhere.

As far as people being saved, they are absolutely saved. Faith proceeds reason and all you need is faith. One does not need to know anything beyond a need for forgiveness and who to ask. That being said, all truth belongs to the set of things with exist. All existence depends (logically) on God. Therefore, all truth belongs to God. The word Catholic (correct me if I am wrong) MEANS unity. One does not need to look outside the Church for truth, but if one does, they are likely to find some. Wisdom is the ability to discern what is true and what is beautiful from everything else. Pray for it.

As far as discussing with members of other faiths and denominations... The Catholic Church being elder has nothing to do with its virtue. It's teachings are true because it is guided by God and checked via divine txts. Trying to convince someone that the Catholic Church is the older and therefore wiser denomination is likely to cause defensive conversation on the part of the others, and rightly so in my opinion. You do not need to back truth with an institution. TRUTH BACKS THE INSTITUTION. Therefore, instead of trying to prove why you are right, I would suggest simply providing evidence that you are indeed right. I never believed everything the Church said. It took years and years of them being right before I understood.

As I said before, ALL truth belongs to God. And in the Bible it says that "All things work together for Good to those who are called according to his purpose." To examine this, I need to define a term... "Divine Irony." This is when you do something for your own reasons and later find out that God lead you there for his own. I set out to study with the Catholics as an atheist in order to learn how to destroy God. It is clear that he wanted me to go there so that I could learn about Him. The point in me saying all this is that if God can use the whims of an atheist to create good, then surely the acts of the other denominations are good. I personally believe that the differences in doctrine are not important at all. The real crime is that the other demoninations split off. That weakened us all. But, the question of whether or not to return is a question that each individual needs to take up with God. There are exactly as many ways to get to heaven as there are human souls. Each walks their own road.

The sun is the most visible thing in our solar system, yet you can not look at it. God is like that. He is the most real (actualized) thing that exists and therefore, he is the most knowable. You cannot fit the infinite inside of the finite though, so we cannot know God fully. Personally, I think that it's not up to you or I to make this call. It might not even be proper for us to speculate. God's will is done on Earth, regardless of denomination.

NOTE :: I am not even Catholic (yet). I am new to the faith and my understanding is limited. Please PLEASE feel free to correct me or guide me or just recommend reading. The above is mostly my own wanderings and may have zero relevance or value.

ALSO :: I would GREATLY like to speak in private with someone who isn't afraid of questions. I have so many, but I've prioritzed them. Feel free to contact me here. mercubio@gmail.com +14697665155 My linked FB or Twitter accounts, or anywhere else you can find me.

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I'm not sure that I am qualified to post here, but since the post requires approval, I will let the moderator decide.
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[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Sup william(thats my dads name too ), peace to you... everything you said is to point, the only bit that urks me is the weakend us all bit. But heyo i really like the bit about how you do not need to back truth with an institution. TRUTH BACKS THE INSTITUTION, without belittling the part that an instution plays to deliver and explain in various ways biblical doctrine, and of course the priesthood to deliver the holy sacrements. And i'm going to add you william coz i hope your going to become a valuble member for the depository of faith with time in accordance to whatever grace God allows you to cultivate faith,hope,love,courage and peace. Have you attempted prayer yet bro?

Edited January 24, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye