M.SIGGA Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 If an individual state decided to make abortion illegal, wouldn't the Supreme Court just overrule it? Sooo... does voting solidly pro-life in state and city elections [i]really[/i] matter. I could see the argument that letting the Pro-choice politicians into office might get them closer to becoming more influential as Washingtion Senators and Reps. What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Interesting. Im not American so I dont actually have any vested interest in this since I cant vote, although I do have the babies interests at heart... anyways to me this seems to say that we should base our opinions on something other than Abortion? An interesting point is, that if Roe vs Wade managed to sway the government before when it was taboo, now that Abortion isnt taboo wouldnt that just be more likely to happen? I think we need a Pro-Life inquisition :ph34r: ... that should get rid of abortion . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I agree with the Pro-life Inquisition That really seems to be the only solution to the problem with Kerry because if he were excommunicated, it would cause even more disobedience because he would just keep doing what he is doing and his "Catholic" churches that he attends would be fine with it. As for voting for pro-abortion candidates, this is condemned by the Church, and it has already been said that this constitutes for helping to procure an abortion which is a mortal sin. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 3 2004, 05:27 PM'] If an individual state decided to make abortion illegal, wouldn't the Supreme Court just overrule it? Sooo... does voting solidly pro-life in state and city elections [i]really[/i] matter. I could see the argument that letting the Pro-choice politicians into office might get them closer to becoming more influential as Washingtion Senators and Reps. What do you all think? [/quote] I think you could make an argument that a person's position on abortion isn't as important an issue in certain offices (like city clerk or treasurer, for example) but matters of life are still important on state and local levels, and person's views on this [i]do[/i] make a difference. I'll give you an example. In Indiana, we recently had a case (I can post the cite later, if people want to see it) in which a woman had gotten pregnant after getting a tubal ligation. She sued the doctor who had performed the (obviously failed) procedure for the cost of the pregnancy and delivery, as well as the cost of raising the child to adulthood. The Indiana Supreme Court issued a decision granting the woman the costs of the pregnancy and delivery, but not the cost of raising the child, saying that a child cannot be considered "damages" but rather is a blessing. This is important, because it sets the tone of how those who govern our state view children, which sends a message -- however subtly -- to the people of the state, who may just take notice and think a bit about their own views. Also, this becomes part of the case law used by attorneys around the nation involved in similar disputes. While these justices were not elected, they were appointed by an elected official (namely, the governor). These things matter even on a state level. Every little bit helps, you know? And, those elected officials make speeches that influence millions of people. Maybe it's not a huge influence ... but even a tiny acorn grows into a huge oak tree eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Sojourner, You shouldn't post our dinner conversations on PM! Just kidding! peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='PedroX' date='May 3 2004, 08:48 PM'] Sojourner, You shouldn't post our dinner conversations on PM! Just kidding! peace... [/quote] Ha ha! I wondered if you'd see that. I was of course thinking about it because of our conversation ... perfect timing, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted May 4, 2004 Author Share Posted May 4, 2004 ok... so in Louisiana there was once a Governor's election in the 90s where one candidate was a pro-choice Catholic Democrat and the other was a former KKK Evangelical Prot Grand Wizard who happend to be pro-life - I guess for white babies at least. Where I live this scenario isn't uncommon to repeat again... so does the pro-life only vote still count in this situation for local elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I think i wouldnt vote. With all due seriousness could the Church call an inqusition on those who actively promote abortion and seek excommunication and why shouldnt they really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Again Catholic Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) Local leaders do determine local regulations which may not make abortion illegal but can make them more difficult to obtain and thereby decrease the number of children murdered. The National Catholic Register for instance reported a few months ago that abortion rate dropped by a very significant % (50%?) in one of the Carolina's (SC I think) largely due to the increase regulations by pro-life politicians. States have the rights to regulate medical facilities, unfortunately in virtually all states running a Vetinary Clinic involves significantly more costly regulations then running an abortion mill. Local leaders at a minimum should make sure these butchers face more regulations than vets, which makes them more difficult to run profitably. Furthermore our national candidates usually start off as local politicians from somewhere, accordingly by not voting pro-life locally we limit the pro-life pool for national candidates. Always vote pro-life God Bless Edited May 4, 2004 by Born Again Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Just to clarify, there is no such things as a pro-"choice" (i.e., abortion) "Catholic". He is excommunicated implicitly at least, if not formally. He will not see Heaven holding that view. With that being said, a pro-abortion "Catholic" is worse than any other person because he is the epitome of lukewarm and will receive his just punishment. As for the heretic KKK member, he would still be a better candidate, and it would not necessarily be wrong to vote for him (while you could still abstain from voting), even though he will incur the same penalty as the "Catholic" politician. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeteenchick527 Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 i think that you should always vote pro-life; you never know, that person you voted for could be that one vote that makes abortion illegal, then again it could also work the other way around to, that because you voted for someone who is pro-abortion, abortion might stay legal. As far as i am concerend ALWAYS VOTE PRO-LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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