I Wanna Move

[Norseman82]

I had an interesting experience today...

There was a singles conference at one of the monied suburban parishes. My aunt, who is from the "old school" and was taught by Polish nuns back in the old days, goes to this parish now and told me once, "You have to see for yourself. They do things differently here".

Well, for one thing, they gave those of us who were never there before a tour of the church. The thing that sticks out to most visitors is the "crucifix" officially known as the "Cross of new life" (since it shows Jesus offering a hand to lift us up) but is more commonly known as "Surfboard Jesus". While it is a nice piece of art and imagery, I don't think it qualifies as a crucifix that belongs in a sanctuary. I'll post the link here and let you see for yourselves:

[url="http://www.holyfamilyparish.org/gallery/crossindx.htm"]http://www.holyfamilyparish.org/gallery/crossindx.htm[/url]

When we went in for mass, the bread that was to be consecrated looked like pita bread instead of the normal communion wafers at most parishes, so I asked an elderly priest "Is the bread leavened or unleavened" he said "Unleavened....why?". OK, I took him at his word.

Then, during the penitential rite, well....I remember how in one former parish the "Gloria" was sung during the sprinkling. Well, here, not only were there lay people doing the sprinkling (I don't know what the GIRM exactly says about that), but the band sang a responsorial version of the creed. Remember, this is the penitential rite!

During the Eucharistic prayer I just prayed "I hope he doesn't mangle the words of consecration". Thankfully, he didn't.

[PedroX]

Dude,

That crucifixion looks like Han Solo being freed from Jaba's ice prison! Suburban Parishes...no accountin' for some people's taste.

peace...

[homeschoolmom]

[quote]Suburban Parishes...no accountin' for some people's taste. [/quote]

Hey, now!!! While I agree that this particular parish does have a particularly, um... "different" feel to it... don't paint all suburban churches with the same brush. Our parish's crucifix is just fine, thank you very much. Wooden cross, arms firmly nailed... etc. We aren't ALL weird in the suburbs...

I, too, had an interesting experience yesterday... we took our kids for a drive (they don't really like it, but HS_Dad and I used to go for drives a lot b4 kids) Anyway, we stopped by this old parish in a small town. It had a playground (my kids needed out of the car)... they had the Stations of the Cross outside so my daughter and I walked 'em... we went inside. It was a very beautiful alter, windows, stations, etc. My daughter and I quietly looked at all the things, comparing them with our parish... (I was trying to teach her about the universality of Catholic churches.) We'll probably go there some times over the summer. It was really pretty.

[PedroX]

Hee Hee. Just joking homeschool!!

peace...

[vianney]

You know the sad thing is with the new document that was put out by the Vatican it said that, ALL CATHOLICS have the RIGHT to participate in a mass said correctly. If it is not it gave specific instructions to talk to the Bishop of that diocese with charity.


We deserve mass as how it is suppose to be. God willing if I am ordained I will ALWAYS say mass by the books because if nothing else you all have the right to at least that much.

Pray for our priests and seminarians. I promise you guys that at my seminary we are producing orthodox Catholic priests who will be coming to you shortly. Help is on the way the church is having a revival and the old timers are on there way out. HANG IN THERE!!!

[Quietfire]

All this makes me so nervous.

I would like to go to RCIA. But we have (just counting off the top of my head) like 5 local Catholic Churchs in my route.

I wouldnt even know which one would provide me with the proper teaching, since that seems so important.

I would want to learn properly, nothing liberal.


So what to do?



Peace.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='PedroX' date='May 16 2004, 08:01 AM'] Hee Hee.  Just joking homeschool!!

peace... [/quote]
yeah, I know... just joking back at ya' HS_Dad agrred with your Han Solo comparison...

[traichuoi]

hey Red, we just got an awesomely pro-active and orthodox Bishop here in Phoenix and there are job openings for YMs all the time, especially now!

go here and check it out if you're serious and let me know if you need anything:
[url="http://www.diocesephoenix.org"]http://www.diocesephoenix.org[/url]

[inno]

Wow, i cannot absolutely believe that i am reading this thread because this was what the homily was about this morning at Mass. Father spoke about the Holy Spirit and how the Spirit continually works through people and in the strangest ways. He addressed how it is overlooked how the 12 disciples were blessed with the Holy Spirit through their arguing. He pointed out how the 12 disciples were a bunch of random guys and these argues ARGUED a lot but they also prayed a lot for answers and this was the Holy Spirit working within them. Father also addressed the danger of today's church. The danger of a segregation. He said that 30 years ago, liberal and conservative Catholics all sat with each other and nowadays you have liberals and conservatives looking for liberal and conservative churches and are afraid of a confrontation and NOT ALLOWING the HOLY SPIRIT to work within them. We are all Catholics regardless of conservative and liberal, and by splitting us up could very well be a mistake. Just my 2 cents for the morning and thought today's homily was extrememly appropiate for this topic have a great day and GOD BLESS!

[Aloysius]

in accordance with Redemtionis Sacramentum, you have the right to write your Bishop and if he doesn't listen: you have the right to write the Holy See!

by the way, don't move away, have everyone in PhatMass move to your area! PhatMass is supposedta be a grassroots movement for orthodoxy in the Catholic Church, right? well let's start! Move in some orthodox people who won't stand for it! the more and more people they get complaining, the more and more they'll havta listen!

Let's transform the Church throughout the nation for the better!

(my parents would never let me go but you might be able to get some people, just search for as many orthodox ppl throughout the US to come into your parish)

Pax Out

[Aloysius]

Quietfire, go to RCIA where you can, but learn here at PhatMass as well. read stuff in the reading room and ask questions in Apologetics and/or the debate table and open mic. Let's use PhatMass to transform this nation's church away from heterodoxy and into orthodoxy, the way the Church is supposedta be.

inno, that's kinda right in a sense. orthodox Catholics should be looking for heterodox parishes to transform bringing about fidelity and loyalty!

(i don't use liberal/conservative because some people get offended if they have liberal economic political views and that's not much my concern, heterodox and orthodox fit much better when talking religiously anyway (although i do enjoy a good Mother Angelica fightin the liberals!))

Pax Out

[Donna]

[b]Pedrox[/b], where'd you hear that about Therese (refusing extra-curriculum penance)?

[b]Redhead[/b], I'm confused: you are single, yes?

[b]Quietfire[/b]: I disagree w/ Al. At least for the present. I'd be quite concerned about which RCIA I attended. And, I'd opt out if no places were sound.

Do you know and TRUST any Catholic soul in your area to guide you through this?

When I say "opt out", I mean learning the doctrine on my own, via catechism's and tapes of sound instruction, and showing up on the doorstep of some sound parish to beg admittance to Holy Church! Stranger things've happened.

I know one person who only had to take about one-forth of RCIA because of listening extensively to a fundamentals of Catholicism series, and being queried on it by the priest/teacher before being admitted to the class. This person, simply by repeated hearings of these tapes and reading, engaged the priest/teacher w/ advanced questions about the Faith.

Hey! Ask St. Anthony to help you find a resolution!

I will, too. (He's the patron of lost articles; but he can find anything, dear Anthony of God).

Ora pro Quietfire (and Redhead!), St. Anthony...

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Donna' date='May 15 2004, 02:08 AM'] Redhead, you already know you must prepare yourself re: future/husband/parish.

The heartache so many of us go through...

Don't give up on praying. But, this is quite a cross. Because you are the Catholic, not your possible-to-be-husband; and the rcia deal, too. These back-of-your-head worries on top of the present sorrow of your diocese.

People have actually moved - even to bum hick-ville towns - to have a solid parish. Do you ask God to become willing to do whatever you must to keep the Faith? [/quote]
i really feel that I am in my present position to really help my church and it's youth stay on track (if you will) with the "right" Catholicism.

Thanks for all the prayers, peeps. It really helps.

[Lil Red]

stoopid double posts. urgh!

Donna, I am married, 2+ years now.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='inno' date='May 16 2004, 01:46 PM'] Wow, i cannot absolutely believe that i am reading this thread because this was what the homily was about this morning at Mass. Father spoke about the Holy Spirit and how the Spirit continually works through people and in the strangest ways. He addressed how it is overlooked how the 12 disciples were blessed with the Holy Spirit through their arguing. He pointed out how the 12 disciples were a bunch of random guys and these argues ARGUED a lot but they also prayed a lot for answers and this was the Holy Spirit working within them. Father also addressed the danger of today's church. The danger of a segregation. He said that 30 years ago, liberal and conservative Catholics all sat with each other and nowadays you have liberals and conservatives looking for liberal and conservative churches and are afraid of a confrontation and NOT ALLOWING the HOLY SPIRIT to work within them. We are all Catholics regardless of conservative and liberal, and by splitting us up could very well be a mistake. Just my 2 cents for the morning and thought today's homily was extrememly appropiate for this topic have a great day and GOD BLESS! [/quote]
inno, this isn't about liberal vs. conservative. this is about serious liturgical abuses that are happening all over! and about priests and bishops that aren't listening/don't care that they are overstepping themselves! when they start thinking that they are above Rome, something is wrong!