I Wanna Move

[Lil Red]

I'm so sad cuz my diocese is so liberal. Especially my city is very liberal. Like so liberal, parishes in states on all sides of us have heard how liberal (read: bad) we are.

Like I went to the 7pm Mass last night. Instead of the priest giving the homily, a guy came up to the podium and said, "Hi, my name is blah blah, and I'm giving this talk because the bishop has given a special dispensation for our diocese that any lay person certified may give the homily." And I'm thinking, "WRONG!!!!" If I hadn't had to be there for my daily Mass commitment, I would've left. I was so upset. And there were other liturgical abuses also, like singing a version of "Alleluia" like 4 times [u]during the Consecration[/u]!

And to tell you the truth, my parish is little better. We don't do that, but there is plenty of other stuff going on. And I've told you guys about my parish priest.

The thing is, there really is nowhere else for me to go in this city. All the parishes are doing various naughty things during the Mass.

You guys that go to orthodox Masses and parishes really have NO IDEA how lucky you are! I really wish that I didn't live here.

And the other thing, if/when my hubby becomes Catholic, I definitely don't want him to go through RCIA at any of the parishes, but especially mine, because they definitely teach some off the wall stuff.

Pray for the priests of my diocese, especially my bishop! Thank you!

[stargirl3:16]

hmm...I thought lay masses were permitted...

[toledo_jesus]

Where ya from, lil red?
I'm from Norfolk, in Richmond diocese. I can totally relate to you, and my prayers are your prayers in this matter.

[Lil Red]

if the priest is not present, then it is not Mass, it is a Word & Communion service. If the priest is present, then HE MUST SAY THE HOMILY! I will find the Canon Law.

[toledo_jesus]

indeed, with no priest it is not Mass. A priest is essential. There are some who don't think so around where I live.

[Lil Red]

From EWTN:

[quote]Preaching the Word of God is among the principal duties of those who have received the sacrament of orders (cc. 762-764). The lay faithful can be called to cooperate in the exercise of the Ministry of the Word (c. 759). In accord with canon 766 the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops hereby decrees that the lay faithful may be permitted to exercise this ministry in churches and oratories, with due regard for the following provisions:

If necessity requires it in certain circumstances or it seems useful in particular cases, the diocesan bishop can admit lay faithful to preach, to offer spiritual conferences or give instructions in churches, oratories or other sacred places within his diocese, when he judges it to be to the spiritual advantage of the faithful.

In order to assist the diocesan bishop in making an appropriate pastoral decision (Interdicasterial Instruction, Ecclesiae deMysterio, Article 2 §3), the following circumstances and cases are illustrative: the absence or shortage of clergy, particular language requirements, or the demonstrated expertise or experience of the lay faithful concerned.

The lay faithful who are to be admitted to preach in a church or oratory must be orthodox in faith and well-qualified both by the witness of their lives as Christians and by a preparation for preaching appropriate to the circumstances.

The diocesan bishop will determine the appropriate situations in accord with canon 772§ 1. [b]In providing for preaching by the lay faithful the diocesan bishop may never dispense from the norm which reserves the homily to the sacred ministers (cc 767§1; cfr. Pontifical Acta Apostolic Sedis (AAA) 79 [1987], 1249).[/b][b] Preaching by the lay faithful may not take place within the Celebration of the Eucharist at the moment reserved for the homily.[/b]

[b]As to when this lay preaching should be done, the above norm says NOT at the time of the homily. [/b]The appropriate time is that provided in the General Instruction for remarks, announcements etc... (and this would also apply to a eulogy at a funeral). After the Prayer after Communion (GIRM 89) comes the concluding rite in the following order:

90 The following are proper to the concluding rite:

a) Brief announcements as needed;

b) The greeting and blessing of the priest, which on certain days is given an amplified expression and, on occasions, is delivered with a prayer over the people or is said with another more solemn formula;

c) The dismissal of the people on the part of the deacon or the priest;

d) The kissing of the altar by priest and deacon, followed with a profound bow to the altar by the priest, the deacon and other ministers.[/quote]

[toledo_jesus]

Can. 767 §1. Among the forms of preaching, the homily, which is part [b]of the liturgy itself and is reserved to a priest or deacon[/b], is preeminent; in the homily the mysteries of faith and the norms of Christian life are to be explained from the sacred text during the course of the liturgical year.

§2. A homily must be given at all Masses on Sundays and holy days of obligation which are celebrated with a congregation, and it cannot be omitted except for a grave cause.

§3. It is strongly recommended that if there is a sufficient congregation, a homily is to be given even at Masses celebrated during the week, especially during the time of Advent and Lent or on the occasion of some feast day or a sorrowful event.

[b]§4. It is for the pastor or rector of a church to take care that these prescripts are observed conscientiously.[/b]

[dUSt]

Do like I did and become the parish webmaster, then put "Redemptionis Sacramentum" on the home page:

[url="http://www.stjoe88.org"]http://www.stjoe88.org[/url]

lol

[Lil Red]

too bad that my parish already has a website set up, and the lady who organizes it ignores me.

[Tony]

once in a while the Deacon will read the Gospel and Homily at Mass, but since the Priest silently prays over him and blesses him right before, it made me think this was ok.. at the time... is this ok?

[Lil Red]

i dunno, maybe where it says sacred ministers, it means deacon or priest?

[theculturewarrior]

I empathize with your frustrations, Lil Red.

I am planning on attending grad school in a neighborhood with good liturgy. I am thankful I live in Texas, where there is [i]legitimate[/i] liturgical diversity! Unfortunately, Texas is a big state, and good liturgy means a goodly drive.

I will add my prayers to yours.

[Dave]

[quote name='Tony' date='May 3 2004, 01:09 PM'] once in a while the Deacon will read the Gospel and Homily at Mass, but since the Priest silently prays over him and blesses him right before, it made me think this was ok.. at the time... is this ok? [/quote]
Yes, it is perfectly all right for the deacon to read the Gospel and/or give the homily. Those duties are for the priest OR the deacon.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Move out here.

[Lil Red]

haha, i wish. any youth ministry jobs open?