Brother Adam Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I'm collecting some anti-Catholic materials for reference in the future and I recently ran across Moody Magazines issue of "Evangelicals and Catholics" issue November 1993. Have any of you heard of former-priest Bart Brewer? He seems like a positive idiot. I'm wondering what you thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 i've ran across the name before, but i don't really remember much about him. btw, make sure u check out the "anti-catholicism" entry in the reference section. the first section of the entry has a couple of sites that have compiled links to anti-catholic webpages. also, there is much refutation of the usual anti-catholic rhetoric. pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Ah yes, Bart Brewer! Karl Keating devotes a chapter or part of a chapter in either "Catholicism and Fundamentalism" or "The Usual Suspects" (can't remember which one). His journey out of the Church started, in a nutshell, because he didn't like the priestly celibacy rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 3, 2004 Author Share Posted May 3, 2004 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 and where in the Bible does it say that a preacher of God HAS to be celibate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 3 2004, 03:05 PM'] and where in the Bible does it say that a preacher of God HAS to be celibate? [/quote] [b]Matthew 19:12[/b]: speaks of priests being celibate. "Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; [b]some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. [u]Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."[/b][/u] God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 lumberjack, this thread isn't the place to go into a defense of priestly celibacy. i suggest either starting a new thread, or spending some time w/ the following articles: [b]Celibacy[/b] --[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp"]Celibacy and the Priesthood[/url] --[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ109.HTM"]Clerical Celibacy: The Biblical Rationale[/url] --[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ108.HTM"]Clerical Celibacy and the Principle of Asceticism in Catholicism[/url] --[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ182.HTM"]Dialogue on Clerical Celibacy[/url] --[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ205.HTM"]Dialogue on Peter's Marriage and Why It Doesn't Disprove Catholicism[/url] --[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=549"]Priestly & Religious Celibacy: Is It Dead, or Should It Be?[/url] --[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/CELIPROB.TXT"]Celibacy Isn't the Problem[/url] --[url="http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mcgovern/celhist1.html"]Celibacy: Historical Perspective[/url] --[url="http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mcgovern/anthop.html"]Celibacy: Anthropological Considerations[/url] --[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5032"]Sacerdotalis Caelibatus (The Celibacy Of The Priest)[/url] --[url="http://www.cin.org/mateo/m920828a.html"]Celibacy and Catholic Teaching[/url] --[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/TEACHPC.htm"]Church's Teaching on Priestly Celibacy[/url] --[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/WCRB.htm"]Priestly Celibacy[/url] --[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARPRIE.htm"]What's the Deal About Legally Married Priests?[/url] --[url="http://www.catholic.net/Catholic Church/Periodicals/Homiletic/June97/clergy.html"]When Clergy Marry: An Insider's View[/url] --[url="http://soli.inav.net/~jfischer/jan99/patriciadixon.html"]Why a Married Priesthood Won't Remedy the Priest Shortage[/url] --[url="http://cuf.org/nonmemb/godsgiftcelibacy.pdf"]God's Gift to His Bride: Priestly Celibacy[/url] --[url="http://www.godspy.com/life/Purity-The-Way-of-the-Celibate.cfm"]Purity: The Way of the Celibate[/url] also, [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priesthood.html"][b]here[/b][/url] is some scripture. pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 4, 2004 Author Share Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 3 2004, 03:05 PM'] and where in the Bible does it say that a preacher of God HAS to be celibate? [/quote] Where does it say that the Bible gives you the authority to interpret it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='May 4 2004, 02:36 AM'] Where does it say that the Bible gives you the authority to interpret it? [/quote] Why answer a question with an irrelevant question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 And remember that celebacy is a Roman Rite practice, not a religious doctrine. There are many married priests in the Eastern Church and since it isn't a dogma or religious belief, it is elligible to be changed in the future. Not saying that I advocate doing away with celebacy, but I am sick of Catholic's being attacked for something that can't be attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='May 3 2004, 07:41 PM'] Why answer a question with an irrelevant question? [/quote] Bro. Adam has posed what is hardly an "irrelevant question." Protestantism is based upon Sola Scriptura, and a subset of SS is private interpretation. Both are scripturally unfounded. Is Protestantism irrelevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 [quote]Is Protestantism irrelevant?[/quote] I wish it were...but it seems so long as a large portion of us view the Catholic Church as having many extrabiblical teachings and beliefs...whether doctrine or not... we will never be "reconciled"... and that is the real reason. we "protestants" use tradition as well, but don't place it in the same bin of authority as the Scriptures that were written by the Apostles and disciples of Christ and the Prophets of God...the Bible is the ultimate measure against which all doctrine should be weighed. if that is sola scirptura...then I'm bout it bout it. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 5 2004, 09:24 AM'] I wish it were...but it seems so long as a large portion of us view the Catholic Church as having many extrabiblical teachings and beliefs...whether doctrine or not... we will never be "reconciled"... and that is the real reason. we "protestants" use tradition as well, but don't place it in the same bin of authority as the Scriptures that were written by the Apostles and disciples of Christ and the Prophets of God...the Bible is the ultimate measure against which all doctrine should be weighed. if that is sola scirptura...then I'm bout it bout it. God bless. [/quote] Then you should be all about [b]Matt 19:12. [/b]Finally some progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 5 2004, 09:24 AM'] the Bible is the ultimate measure against which all doctrine should be weighed. [/quote] Sez who? God? The Bible itself? Nope. Did the Bible fall out of heaven? Nope. Did God give us a list of the table of contents? Nope. We need to start a different thread to hash out these issues. This is Bro Adam's anti-Catholic materials thread. Sorry, Bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Dave Armstrong's article on Bart Brewer's initial reason for leaving the Catholic Church: [url="http://web.archive.org/web/20010816154920/http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ456.HTM"]http://web.archive.org/web/20010816154920/...smus/RAZ456.HTM[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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