Papist Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 [quote][font=Georgia,] The Archdiocese of Detroit has instructed a controversial conservative group to stop using the term “Catholic” to identify their television broadcasts.[/font][font=Georgia,] The archdiocese has issued a statement reminding the faithful that canon law (#216) prohibits any apostolate “from claiming the name[i]Catholic[/i] without the consent of the competent ecclesiastical authority.” The statement indicated that archdiocesan officials had informed RealCatholic TV and its director, Michael Voris, that “it does not regard them as being authorized to use the word ‘Catholic’ to identify or promote their public activities.”[/font][font=Georgia,] “For some time, the Archdiocese of Detroit has been in communication with Mr. Michael Voris and his media partner at Real Catholic TV” regarding the name of their effort, the statement disclosed. Evidently the public announcement came after those contacts failed to produce a change in the name of the television apostolate.[/font][font=Georgia,] RealCatholic TV is based in Ferndale, Michigan, within the bounds of the Detroit archdiocese. Its video presentations, featuring Voris in provocative commentaries on Catholic affairs, are distributed through the internet.[/font] [/quote] [font=Georgia,] [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=12774"]http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=12774[/url][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 wow. serious test of obedience here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted December 25, 2011 Author Share Posted December 25, 2011 Yes. I wonder which way he will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I'd call it CruX TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureCarmeliteClaire Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I have a strange love for Voris and I can't believe that they are doing this to him. From what I understand, he is not teaching heresy And he is just a little intense and passionate about his more traditional beliefs. I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) I'd be curious to know what it is that was so objectionable in their broadcast that would allow authority to request they remove the Catholic label from their name. While their style would definitely step on some toes (and that is pretty much their point) -- and no doubt he has controversial opinions that are subject to debate. But from what videos I have seen, I didn't see anything that was so out there that it would justify being flat out stripped of a Catholic label. A website like Catholic Culture giving them a yellow warning label is understandable, but flat out telling them they can't use the term "Catholic" in their name is pretty heavy indeed. I read there's apparently some kind of discrepancy about where this organization is actually based, that it actually isn't within the archdiocese, and that they might be going up the ecclesiastical food chain about this. I don't always watch their videos but it will be very interesting to see what their next broadcast response will be. Edited December 27, 2011 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1324842472' post='2357412'] Yes. I wonder which way he will go. [/quote] Probably the way that best placates his massive ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 [color=#1F497D][quote name='Ash Wednesday' timestamp='1325017688' post='2358185'] I'd be curious to know what it is that was so objectionable in their broadcast that would allow authority to request they remove the Catholic label from their name. [/quote][/color] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]not sure if being 'objectionable' is at issue....[/font] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Canon 216 states[/font] [quote] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Since they participate in the mission of the Church, all the Christian faithful have the right to promote or sustain apostolic action even by their own undertakings, according to their own state and condition. Nevertheless, no undertaking is to claim the name Catholic without the consent of competent ecclesiastical authority.[/font] [/quote] But then, I can see alot of grey area in alot of places with that...for another discussion I suppose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I thought this blog post was interesting: [url="http://puffsstuff.blogspot.com/2011/12/and-now-little-voris-facing-music.html"]http://puffsstuff.bl...cing-music.html[/url] [quote]Anyway, my argument on this, whether you support Voris or not: Premises: 1)Canon law, as I've quoted above(# 216, and 300) 2)RealCatholicTV's own statements that they [url="http://puffsstuff.blogspot.com/2011/07/whole-michael-voris-kerfuffle.html"]have never sought ecclesiastical permission for ANYTHING[/url] that they do, 3)RealCatholicTV's statement that they always follow canon law to be obedient. 4)They are stationed in Detroit, 5)Their ordinary is the Bishop of Detroit 6)The Bishop is bound to uphold Canon Law Therefore if the Bishop of Detroit discovers they have no authority to use the name Catholic, and are therefore in contravention of Canon Law (by their own admission), and in order to enforce Canon Law, orders these loyal and obedient (to Canon Law) people cease and desist, will they now obey their bishop as canon law says they must? And if they refuse to obey and work to seek that permission from the proper ecclesiastical authority, won't that mean they are deliberately in contravention of Canon Law and thereby nullifying premise 3. And if they stubbornly refuse to adhere to canon law, wouldn't that make them dissidents and thereby by definition NOT real Catholic. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 FTR, I think his obedience will not be an issue. Orthodoxy is nothing without obedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 So... would much of this hullabaloo be avoided if they didn't explicitly use the word "Catholic" in their name? What if they changed it to, I don't know, "Mary's Crushing Foot" or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 good question... I would assume it would be a non issue then... but then that gets into the grey area I mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' timestamp='1325021515' post='2358218']So... would much of this hullabaloo be avoided if they didn't explicitly use the word "Catholic" in their name?[/quote] i'm thinking yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1325021651' post='2358219'] good question... I would assume it would be a non issue then... but then that gets into the grey area I mentioned earlier. [/quote] That's pretty interesting. I think what I have found a bit confusing was the issue of USING the word Catholic in their name versus more or less CALLING one's self/organization Catholic (while not using the terminology in one's official name.) Or something like that. It sure looks grey in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' timestamp='1325022205' post='2358229']Or something like that. It sure looks grey in here. [/quote] pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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