Anti-Abortion And Pro-Choice?

December 27, 2011

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1324383666' post='2354351']
You are assuming that cows and humans are equals. This is not the case. God made man in His image. One human is worth more than all the cows on Earth. In fact, one human is worth more than all the stars and planets in the universe. God made cows to serve man. If God did not want man to kill cows, He would not have made them out of beef. [img]http://fun.resplace.net/Emoticons/Happy/VeryHappy.gif[/img]
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Ignorant superstitious religious claptrap.

We all know that we're all just randomly evolved blobs of protoplasm. No species has anymore inherent value than any other. Humans, cows, sea slugs, bacteria - we're all the same. Morality is just a bunch of arbitrary rules people make up.

December 27, 2011

I love how in family court, the judge must always rule for the child's best interests, born or unborn. If a pregnant woman is drinking, the father can bring her to court for endangering the child.
All I can say is: :huh:
So really, "pro-choice and anti-abortion" means "when I'm pregnant, I know there's a kid inside, but I'm not so sure what the hell that chick is breeding so she can do what she wants." or else they'd probably scratch the pro-choice label imo.

Edited December 27, 2011 by AudreyGrace

December 27, 2011

[quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1324787793' post='2357239']
The anti-abortion/pro-choice thing doesn't hold water for very long imo.
If illegal abortion wouldn't deter the act, then sure keep it legal, but I don't think that is the case.

I think using the law to protect babies would be very effective.
When the "doctors" and "nurses" get put away (the aborting mothers and conspiring fathers shouldn't be imo), they can't be replaced nearly as easily as drugs can in the [i]War on Drugs.[/i]
The women looking to abort illegally would not find people to help her abort as easily as drug users can find helpers for their vice.
It wouldn't even be close. Even drug users can't always find what they want, and the drug culture is way bigger and more active than the current, legal abortion.

If the government is going to exist at all, it should defend innocent life. It's so simple that - to me - even the worst pro-life arguments come off looking brilliant. Government intruding in a private matter? Yes, it's just that innocent, defenseless babies are more important than basically everything.
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Well said.

If laws against abortion would have absolutely[i] no[/i] effect on abortion, as the "pro-choice" crowd is fond of claiming, then they should have no reason to be so adamantly opposed to any laws restricting abortion.

December 28, 2011

It is my understanding that the argument is that the same people will go and get abortions, but if they are illegal, they will perforce be unregulated and thus carried out in potentially unsanitary conditions - meaning they will be less safe, not less frequent.

Of course, there would [i]also[/i] be a lot less of them, but no one seems to want to talk about that. Limiting access (even a little bit) would serve as a deterrent for some people, as they would not consider it worth the effort or the risk to seek out and procure an illegal abortion.

January 26, 2012

I personally feel that the question of Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua to the Pharisees regarding whether or not it was lawful to kill on the Sabbath and the possible connection of this question with the situation faced by the Machabee Jews has at least some connection to a full understanding of this question.

[url="http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mar&c=3&t=KJV#comm/4"]Mark 3:4[/url] And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/45002.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/45002.htm[/url]
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And they said to them: Do you still resist? come forth, and do according to the edict of king Antiochus, and you shall live. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=34#x"][34][/url] And they said: We will not come forth, neither will we obey the king's edict, to profane the sabbath day. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=35#x"][35][/url] And they made haste to give them battle.
[url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=36#x"][36][/url] But they answered them not, neither did they cast a stone at them, nor stopped up the secret places, [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=37#x"][37][/url] Saying: Let us all die in our innocency: and heaven and earth shall be witnesses for us, that you put us to death wrongfully. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=38#x"][38][/url] So they gave them battle on the sabbath: and they were slain with their wives, and their children, and their cattle, to the number of a thousand persons. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=39#x"][39][/url] And Mathathias and his friends heard of it, and they mourned for them exceedingly. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=40#x"][40][/url] And every man said to his neighbour: If we shall all do as our brethren have done, and not fight against the heathens for our lives, and our justifications: they will now quickly root us out of the earth.
[url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=45&ch=2&l=41#x"][41][/url] And they determined in that day, saying: Whosoever shall come up against us to fight on the sabbath day, we will fight against him: and we will not all die, as our brethren that were slain in the secret places.
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In my opinion murder and killing are not exactly the same thing!

There is a huge difference between the act of a death camp guard in taking a life and the act of a soldier who is attempting to prevent those death camp guards from wiping out an entire race of people.

There is also a difference between a pregnant woman deciding to have an abortion if she is in the third year of her university training and a child would be inconvenient to her at this time in her life and a young woman who had been raped by a relative choosing to end that child's life.

Personally, I believe that even in the case of rape the child is a potential Einstein or Beethoven and has a right to life but the mother in question is only human and it would be almost impossible for her to approach her pregnancy in the same way as a wealthy woman who at least has some connection with her boyfriend who eventually might even decide to support both her and their child?!?!