Lil Red Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1323307778' post='2347010'] Which would include the Church Fathers at Trent. Good thing for us we know better and have better developed morals than they. [/quote] i thought you had shaken the dust off of your feet at us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1323387974' post='2347572'] is this some Soviet Russia thing? [/quote] Little known fact about the Communist revolution. The Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were the main players, but the Boolheetiks worked behind the scenes doing a lot of munitions supply line work, and most of the original Soviet propaganda came out of their communal print shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Are we Catholics supposed to believe that the Church reached its pinnacle at the Council of Trent? (that's a thought shared by a friend, btw... I just wanted to post it, cos its pretty good... hahahaha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 moving to debate table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Mkay everyone, stop debating for the rest of the day so that Red has to move it back. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1323388285' post='2347579'] Mkay everyone, stop debating for the rest of the day so that Red has to move it back. [/quote] Whoa, the face looks a heck of a lot like Hobbes in her avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1323388310' post='2347579']Whoa, the face looks a heck of a lot like Hobbes in her avatar.[/quote] why do you think i picked that avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1323388389' post='2347581'] why do you think i picked that avatar? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1323385077' post='2347548'] Devil's Advocate Statement to show the true hypocrisy of this thread. [i]As someone who has actually witnessed Religious Liberty, or any other Vatican II teaching you like, I can truthfully say that there was nothing Christian or biblical about it.[/i] Do you think that will get me a crazy dope post, yo?! Prolly not. The truths of Trent 'can' be rejected but all blankly blank would break lose if someone were to deny, question or mock any truth or truths taught by Vatican II. [/quote] I remember about a month and 2 days ago you swore off the internet entirely. great willpower, yo. I guess arguing against the Pope's position is just too fun to resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Can the Pope dogmatically 'accept' the parts of Trent that have been traipsed around as it refers to the death penalty, while pastorally working for its end? Or is that hypocritical? Can he believe the DP can be implemented, yet work for its very dismantling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1323282816' post='2346613'] [size=4][b]Catechism of the Council of Trent[/b][/size] The power of life and death is permitted to certain civil magistrates because theirs is the responsibility under law to punish the guilty and protect the innocent. Far from being guilty of breaking this commandment [Thy shall not kill], such an execution of justice is precisely an act of obedience to it. For the purpose of the law is to protect and foster human life. This purpose is fulfilled when the legitimate authority of the State is exercised by taking the guilty lives of those who have taken innocent lives. In the Psalms we find a vindication of this right: “Morning by morning I will destroy all the wicked in the land, cutting off all evildoers from the city of the Lord” (Ps. 101:8). [right][size=2][size=3]([i]Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent[/i], 1566, Part III, 5, n. 4[/size])[/size][/right] [/quote] This is 100% accurate and still true today. What is different today is that life can be protected and fostered without the need to kill the guilty. The chance of escape in any prison throughout the world is next to impossible. This is why the Holy Father and the Vatican have been working towards the end of the death penalty for over a decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1323295034' post='2346817'] People who have no experience with criminal punishment really have no clue why a brick building with steel doors isn't enough. Remember, even if it is possible to absolutely contain criminals (which [i]isn't[/i] possible - some will always be able to find a way to escape), we have to employ people to care for them. Those people are [i]constantly[/i] in harms way (some are injured or even killed), and many of those guys end up so emotionally and mentally hurt that they become alcoholics. I'm not saying the Pope is wrong; we should [i]want[/i] to end capital punishment. But currently, that's not possible without endangering the lives of innocent people. [/quote] I have 10 years experience building prisons. I've worked closely and became friends with many correctional officers across the country. I've met with hundreds of architects here and around the world and I can tell you that while it takes more than steel doors and brick, we provide much more than steel doors and brick. The end result is that society is safe from those who have committed capital offenses. Everything that the Church has taught about the execution of violent criminals is based on the protection of the innocent people in society. Society is well protected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1323385077' post='2347548'] Do you think that will get me a crazy dope post, yo?! Prolly not. The truths of Trent 'can' be rejected but all blankly blank would break lose if someone were to deny, question or mock any truth or truths taught by Vatican II. [/quote] [img]http://angrywhitedude.com/wp-content/uploads2/2011/07/are-you-wizard.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1323306474' post='2346978'] What a bunch of outdated nonsense Trent doesn't matter anymore, not really. That kind of dogmatic thinking should be given no praise or honor, just mockery and rejection. Thankfully we have developed ourselves away from the Holy Ghost's stupid, outdated, barbaric, rightwing nonsense that some how the State has a right to enforce justice on the wicked. [/quote] It's offensive statements like this that got your Church Militant tag taken away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1323401982' post='2347739'] It's offensive statements like this that got your Church Militant tag taken away [/quote] The only thing that his statement offends is what little intellect I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 This is what Archbishop Dolan had to say on the subject this week, “If even a man on death row has a soul, is a human person, an ‘is’ that cannot be erased even by beastly crimes he may have committed, then we ought not to strap him to a gurney and inject him with poison.”[color=#000000][left] Read more: [url="http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-dolan-discusses-church-teaching-on-the-dignity-of-human-life#ixzz1g0lpoWDw"]http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-dolan-discusses-church-teaching-on-the-dignity-of-human-life#ixzz1g0lpoWDw[/url][/left][/color][/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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